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Old 02-17-2010, 04:59 AM
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Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

Hi All

I got some great tips from my last post a few weeks back and have been practicing a lot with my D&B and skin tone. I shot this image at a shoot yesterday and spent the afternoon taking it to this stage.

Essentially;
Colour correction to remove Magenta
D&B at global and pore level
Some "powder" added in places with Mama Shan's brush
A slight smoothing applied with Gry's High pass, GB split blended technique

I am pleased with it but feel it is just lacking a certain something when I compare it to the real high end work I am aspiring to..

Any constructive criticism is really welcomed..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/...8c2f51f0_o.jpg
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:28 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

Look, after a luminosity contrast increase, notice how much more d&b it needs.
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:32 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

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Look, after a luminosity contrast increase, notice how much more d&b it needs.
Ouch...

Ok, so more pore level D&B required to fix this or larger scale changes ?

The funny thing is that I felt I might have overdone it..
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:53 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

It looks artificial in some manner, also some photographers use to do it in this cartoonesque way and earn lo of money by doing it but if you didn't wanted this effect, then it's okay. Already loks a bit like a painting, probably adding more saturation and more ratio by D&B and I think you will get a very interesting and realistic painting look.

It can be also the picture, which doesn't fit in high-end beauty, what's misleading your perception of it. Not the best crop of a face, though.

As for the photo, I think it needs:

1) Skin color is too yellow/green.
2) Transitions between tones are too hard.
3) Needs more luminosity values in general (looks a bit flat).
4) Eyes are overdone.
5) Pores are almost invisible.
6) Skin look is too matte.
7) The hair looks like painted.
8) Overall needs more airbrushing.

I corrected it a bit here:
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:05 AM
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It looks artificial in some manner, also some photographers use to do it in this cartoonesque way and earn lo of money by doing it but if you didn't wanted this effect, then it's okay. Already loks a bit like a painting, probably adding more saturation and more ratio by D&B and I think you will get a very interesting and realistic painting look.

It can be also the picture, which doesn't fit in high-end beauty, what's misleading your perception of it. Not the best crop of a face, though.

As for the photo, I think it needs:

1) Skin color is too yellow/green.
2) Transitions between tones are too hard.
3) Needs more luminosity values in general (looks a bit flat).
4) Eyes are overdone.
5) Pores are almost invisible.
6) Skin look is too matte.
7) The hair looks like painted.
8) Overall needs more airbrushing.

I corrected it a bit here:
Thanks very much Mart - I appreciate the feedback.

In terms of the look - I absolutely do not want a cartoon type look but am actually trying to achieve a natural look (a little like Gavin O Neill?) so am very concerned about the result..

May I ask for some clarification please;

1) Skin color is too yellow/green. - understood
2) Transitions between tones are too hard - understood
3) Needs more luminosity values in general (looks a bit flat) - How do I go about improving this ?
4) Eyes are overdone - understood
5) Pores are almost invisible - understood
6) Skin look is too matte - how can I fix this or avoid it getting too matte ?
7) The hair looks like painted - noted (It's not..)
8) Overall needs more airbrushing - what sort of brushing ? will this not kill the pores more ?

Why does the image not fit as high end beauty - I shot it with this purpose in mind ?

Many thanks..

Peter
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:08 AM
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Is this better ;

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Why does the image not fit as high end beauty - I shot it with this purpose in mind ?
Who is the model? Did you work with a mua, hair dresser, stylist?

No offense, im trying to be 100% objective here, and this is nothing personal against the model. First time i went to a studio to try and get a photo assistant job and showed the boss some of my images (i took of my gf) he said something that got stuck in my head and is probably one of the best pieces of advice I ever received. Then i went for retouching, so it didn't matter anymore...

"The fact that a girl is pretty doesn't make her a model. You can't go and get your pretty neighbor and pretend to make high end beauty images, just because she is good looking".

When a woman has the needed features to be a model, chances are she already is... For example, model mayhem is FULL of wannabe models who would never ever ever make it in Europe, where we just don't care about tits and ass and that sexy look and pout that they think beauty is all about.

Compare:

This is high end beauty
This is not high-end

Again, don't take it personal, please. In fact, when i discovered that it would be so hard for me to achieve that level of high-endness, is when i decided to focus on retouching. That level of "high-endness" is not something you can achieve in your garage studio with a backdrop and a couple allienbees, as it needs a team of people dedicated to each aspect of the image in which they have to be experts. Beauty and fashion are tough man...
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Who is the model? Did you work with a mua, hair dresser, stylist?

No offense, im trying to be 100% objective here, and this is nothing personal against the model. First time i went to a studio to try and get a photo assistant job and showed the boss some of my images (i took of my gf) he said something that got stuck in my head and is probably one of the best pieces of advice I ever received. Then i went for retouching, so it didn't matter anymore...

"The fact that a girl is pretty doesn't make her a model. You can't go and get your pretty neighbor and pretend to make high end beauty images, just because she is good looking".

When a woman has the needed features to be a model, chances are she already is... For example, model mayhem is FULL of wannabe models who would never ever ever make it in Europe, where we just don't care about tits and ass and that sexy look and pout that they think beauty is all about.

Compare:

This is high end beauty
This is not high-end

Again, don't take it personal, please. In fact, when i discovered that it would be so hard for me to achieve that level of high-endness, is when i decided to focus on retouching. That level of "high-endness" is not something you can achieve in your garage studio with a backdrop and a couple allienbees, as it needs a team of people dedicated to each aspect of the image in which they have to be experts. Beauty and fashion are tough man...
Thanks Flex - as always, taken as intended..

She is a model, but not a full time pro - she has tested for me a few times and I tend to use her as she is also a make up artist. I understand that you are saying that she does not have the bone structure and probably not the necessary make up skills to achieve the look I am after - the images of Catherine Harbour are a great example.

The shots were taken with good lighting and in a large pro studio.

I guess I felt that the make up and shots out of camera looked at least as good as some of the "before" shots I have seen on various high end retouch websites - in fact she had less blemishes and better skin tone than many that were transformed into unbelievable final images.

My thinking therefore was that with the right work this image could be transformed - which it seems you are saying is not possible ?

A good example is the image you worked on in the other thread, for TRB75 - skin was worse out of camera and model by no means "high end" in bone structure etc(no offence..) - but you turned it round..

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Old 02-18-2010, 08:56 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

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It looks artificial in some manner, also some photographers use to do it in this cartoonesque way and earn lo of money by doing it but if you didn't wanted this effect, then it's okay. Already loks a bit like a painting, probably adding more saturation and more ratio by D&B and I think you will get a very interesting and realistic painting look.

It can be also the picture, which doesn't fit in high-end beauty, what's misleading your perception of it. Not the best crop of a face, though.

As for the photo, I think it needs:

1) Skin color is too yellow/green.
2) Transitions between tones are too hard.
3) Needs more luminosity values in general (looks a bit flat).
4) Eyes are overdone.
5) Pores are almost invisible.
6) Skin look is too matte.
7) The hair looks like painted.
8) Overall needs more airbrushing.

I corrected it a bit here:
Quantum3: I like what you did to the image to smooth out the tonal transitions. Can you please explain what you did? Did you had a color layer?

Thank You
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:58 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

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I personally like this one better than your first post. The image is a better image and the skin looks better, although there is very little texture to the skin. But the skin tones are a lot more even in this one than your previous image
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