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Old 02-28-2010, 02:09 PM
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Your opinion on D&B Please

Thank you all for posting your opinions on my previous post.
This is my 3rd D&B retouching, I used to do "healing" for skin work and lost texture.
It took 5 hours of D&B. Can you please give me your opinion? Can it be improved?

I'd like to get rid of the peach-fuzz hair below the ear, what is the best tool to do this? Healing does not give realistic results.

Image Photographed by me. The model is a beautiful young lady but was under stress before the shoot and broke out really bad. The shoot had to still go on.

http://www.pbase.com/fotogen/image/122366721/original

Thank You all
Hadi
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:31 PM
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Re: Your opinion on D&B Please

The skin looks great. You're doing it already. Now, the healing, cloning and d&b should not only be limited to the skin. There's a lot of work to be done with that hair. Mainly, get rid of all the hairs that don't follow the main direction. You will be surprised by how much a photo gains when the hair is perfect. For the peach fuzz, try cloning on a pixel level, and then d&b. Some people do this kind of cloning stetting the brush to darken, sampling and painting over the same sampled area but with an offset of a couple pixels. That way the brush will only paint only where the target is lighter. I don't like that technique because if you look closely, you can even count the hairs and i don't see a reason why not to target each one individually. D&B after cloning is a must.
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:37 PM
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Re: Your opinion on D&B Please

flexmanta,
Thank you for your valuable input. By the hair that are not going the same direction, do you mean the strands above the ear? Can you please point me to the area's you mean?

Thank you again
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:23 PM
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This might explain.
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:57 PM
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This might explain.
Thank u very much, is this done with D&B?
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Old 02-28-2010, 04:11 PM
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Re: Your opinion on D&B Please

Mainly cloning.
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Old 02-28-2010, 04:16 PM
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I used to do "healing" for skin work and lost texture.
Let me clarify something. Cloning and healing are still the main steps for retouching any image. If you are losing texture then you are doing it wrong. Use small brushes, at 100% opacity. Sample correctly and heal only the imperfections. Healing and cloning should not be used with a big brush over a large area of skin.

If you want to take it further, do a split, as in frequency separation. Then clone and heal only the high frequency layer.

So, first you clone or heal imperfections in detail, and then you dodge and burn.
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Old 02-28-2010, 04:26 PM
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If you want to take it further, do a split, as in frequency separation. Then clone and heal only the high frequency layer.
I never understood the frequency separation thing. Are you saying that I should do a high pass on the image and clone/heal on that layer? Isn't that layer all Grey? How do I heal on this layer and do I merge it back into the image once done?

Thanks again for your help
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Old 02-28-2010, 05:06 PM
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No, dont use the high pass filter, it gets confused with pure black and pure white... quick steps.

-Mode RGB 16 bits.
-Make 3 copies of the main layer (copy A, B and C... C being on top).
-Leave A as it is.
-Gaussian blur B (radius till you dont see any more fine texture)
-Select layer C, image -> apply image... source layer B, invert, mode add, scale 2, offset 0. Set layer C to linear light, opacity 100%.

Now you got 3 layers. A = B + C.
Layer B contains low frequency (large stuff, color...). Layer C contains high frequency (skin texture, little color). Retouch each one independently as needed.
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No, dont use the high pass filter, it gets confused with pure black and pure white... quick steps.

-Mode RGB 16 bits.
-Make 3 copies of the main layer (copy A, B and C... C being on top).
-Leave A as it is.
-Gaussian blur B (radius till you dont see any more fine texture)
-Select layer C, image -> apply image... source layer B, invert, mode add, scale 2, offset 0. Set layer C to linear light, opacity 100%.

Now you got 3 layers. A = B + C.
Layer B contains low frequency (large stuff, color...). Layer C contains high frequency (skin texture, little color). Retouch each one independently as needed.
I will try this, thank you for detail explaination
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