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Old 06-18-2010, 02:21 AM
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Help with reflections

Hi all,

I'm retouching some high end products and some of these have this kind of pespective and shapes ond the bottom part:

http://i.ebayimg.com/15/!Bki4IYQ!mk~$%28KGrHqQH-DoEs-ZqQDpMBLY!ScIlc!~~_35.JPG
http://www.onlinestore.it/images/Pro...oma%20HD20.jpg
http://pan7.fotovista.com/dev/7/4/01...u_01120947.jpg

The first of these links are very similar of a product i have to retouch but i find very tricky to do the reflection respecting the bottom shape of the product. I usualy use the trasformation tools on single selection, the skew one is very smart but this time the only way i found is to draw the selection of the shape like I imagine it and paint it by hand...to much time consuming!

Can u help please with this and can give some tip in retouching polished metal?

Many thanks to who can give some nice tip,
Isedo

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Old 06-18-2010, 07:18 AM
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Hi all,

I'm retouching some high end products and some of these have this kind of pespective and shapes ond the bottom part:

http://i.ebayimg.com/15/!Bki4IYQ!mk~$%28KGrHqQH-DoEs-ZqQDpMBLY!ScIlc!~~_35.JPG
http://www.onlinestore.it/images/Pro...oma%20HD20.jpg
http://pan7.fotovista.com/dev/7/4/01...u_01120947.jpg

The first of these links are very similar of a product i have to retouch but i find very tricky to do the reflection respecting the bottom shape of the product. I usualy use the trasformation tools on single selection, the skew one is very smart but this time the only way i found is to draw the selection of the shape like I imagine it and paint it by hand...to much time consuming!

Can u help please with this and can give some tip in retouching polished metal?

Many thanks to who can give some nice tip,
Isedo
You need to split (cut and paste) the reflection in 3
- frontal (it's gonna stay as it is)
- Sides (Transform these to fit the angle)

Then you group them and mask with a gradient so it fades in the end.

Hope that helps.

For the metal... I always end up smudging in an empty layer on top, to get rid of inconsistencies using a hard brush and then bluring a bit adding noise and bluring another bit to match original texture of the image.
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Old 06-18-2010, 07:31 AM
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Re: Help with reflections

they will never look perfect, the images need to be shot on plexi. For images that need this treatment of reflections I do the same as Godmother, sometimes in tricky reflections I will cut a path to represent the reflection and fill it with a grey with a fall off, add some sort of complimentary texture and blur it a bit, use noise sparingly just to keep a smooth gradient without adding any tone in the background.
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Old 06-18-2010, 07:39 AM
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Re: Help with reflections

Thanks for your tips! Helped so much to view things in other perspective.

In this kind of retouching, how much in deep do you go? It's very similar to skin cleaning. Some product can takes also 4 hours to clean it up and retouch well. Do youi agree regarding to your experience?

In your experience, can we find an image in which is impossible to re-cut and paste the reflection? Imagine a toy pony-horse...how to make the internal shapes? Just brushing i suppose...what do u think?

Thanks

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Old 06-18-2010, 08:18 AM
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they will never look perfect, the images need to be shot on plexi.
Yeah well.... and politics should be honorable!

Yup in an ideal world We shouldn't be doing the reflections but enhancing them.

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Old 06-18-2010, 08:23 AM
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Yeah well.... and politics should be honorable!

Yup in an ideal world We shouldn't be doing the reflections but enhancing them.

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Ahahahah, yep, I agree. Godmother can you answer kindly please about the timing question?
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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Ahahahah, yep, I agree. Godmother can you answer kindly please about the timing question?
It always depends. Who is the client? How's gonna be printed? What is it for?

Catalog for a small company? Spend more than 2 hours on it and you're wasting time and money

Advertorials or editorials mixed brands? same as before, always ask for a layout pdf so you can see which images are gonna take on a full page and witch one won't

Advertising in mags for a good brand - 4 hours, till 6

Bigger than magazines - 1 day + + (depending on budget)

Hope that helps.

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Old 06-18-2010, 09:40 AM
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Re: Help with reflections

Oh yes, it helped a lot.
I'm new in this kind of product business retuching and every info is very useful.

It's a catalog of products for a big client. The overal size will be 12cm for the base but some image will be printed at 120 cm base width but they do not know which one.

The most consuming thing is, in my case, cleaning and descratching the plastic parts of the product...it's a hell! In this way, how much detail do u think i have to clean, how much i have to go in deep in the way to make it look good at 10 cm width?

I'm using photoshop many years and i'm quite fast in it.

Thanks for your time and sharing your experience Godmother.
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:47 AM
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Oh yes, it helped a lot.
I'm new in this kind of product business retuching and every info is very useful.

It's a catalog of products for a big client. The overal size will be 12cm for the base but some image will be printed at 120 cm base width but they do not know which one.

The most consuming thing is, in my case, cleaning and descratching the plastic parts of the product...it's a hell! In this way, how much detail do u think i have to clean, how much i have to go in deep in the way to make it look good at 10 cm width?

I'm using photoshop many years and i'm quite fast in it.

Thanks for your time and sharing your experience Godmother.
If the plastic ain't textured, blur it+noise+bit of blur - Keeping out edges and reflections

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Old 06-18-2010, 03:47 PM
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Great tip! The problem is that the most plastics are transparent showing somethink inside. Anyway...really big thanks for sharing your exp.
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