Norman Jean Roy

[smack bob]

Hey guys has anyone got any tips for getting this kind of effect??

http://www.art-dept.com/artists/roy/

[wd7]

hello this is my first comment I think it is light and retouch .. watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mHKhb7fdQ

[Cuervo79]

what kind of effect? he's all over the place and from looking at the photos all of it is very subtle...

As always you've got to start with a good photo first and then add what you want. From what I saw there was skin smoothing, contrast adjustment, color adjustment, etc.

It would be better if you could explain in detail what you want to achieve with as much detail as you can

O and welcome to retouch pro

[brijanp]

I love Norman Jean Roy's post work. The color treatment is really great. I would love to hear some thoughts on how he may have achieved the look.

[r*po]

Originally Posted by Cuervo79

what kind of effect? he's all over the place and from looking at the photos all of it is very subtle...

As always you've got to start with a good photo first and then add what you want. From what I saw there was skin smoothing, contrast adjustment, color adjustment, etc.

It would be better if you could explain in detail what you want to achieve with as much detail as you can

O and welcome to retouch pro

I think the "color adjustment" is what the question is mainly about.
He tends to use natural light and starting with a "good photo" should be sort of a given here. This is retouch-pro and not photo-pro. He does use medium format cameras often form what ive seen and thats alway nice tone to start with so lets just go from there. On second thought if anyone has some ideas on how to get the great tone of medium format into their digital images Im sure thatd be really interesting. ..but I digress.

regardless of film or digital these images are taken digital for post.

lets say for that really popular and overused cyan/orange, blue/yellow movie color grade Norman uses often.

sometimes these adjustments can be deceptively simple, or the opposite.
is this just selective color or do you need to mask the skin separately?

if using lightroom or capture one is there a way to set it up in there (preferably capture one), or is this color grade a definite "photoshop"?
I know it can be done in video color editors so I would imagine it isn't a lot of selective masking but im not familiar with that technique either. seem to remember it being a bit simpler there since theres a color wheel that you can literally slide into cyan and push the mid tones/highlights to the yellow/orange. I haven't been able to get the cyan quite the same using curves or levels and Im not quite sure why seems straightforward enough.

on the last image its possible the pants and street lines were enhanced separately then again, maybe not. itd be great to hear from someone who has actually done this grade correction successfully.

Im sure any other common color grading styles common in images prevalent in magazines like vanity fair would be welcome here too. theres does seem to be a few everyone does and yet no good tutorials out there on how to do them. Theres plenty of retouch places Id just hire if I could.

theres always a lot of ways but sometimes thats the headache too when youve never seen it done well, so any guides would be nice just to kick the brain out of stutter.

thanks for sharing
cheers

http://www.mykristenbell.com/pic/200...080826_07.html


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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vs4FrnJWyg.../s1600/004.jpg

[r*po]

this is an interesting place to start. Ive never been able to get the blue to wash so nice.
This is what i find so odd about the "without the raw its hard to tell" while thats true when I see a good portrait that looks like softlighter or daylight I sort of expect it to look like the color you see in the ungraded photo. the raw still may look a bit different but you could do this effect form there and its a good place to start from.

this is Leibovitz who also does beautifully with these tones.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/clemato...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/clemato...n/photostream/

[insmac]

Movie-like color grading plays a major part in these shots. Oversaturated, deepened shadows tend towards green and blue yet almost everything in range from mids to highs gets an yellowish tint.

There is, however, a visible distinction in tinting images. While Mert & Marcus seem to apply an overall correction which affects skintones too, some other mask out skin areas in order to retain an evenness of a color.

Take a look:
http://art-dept.com/photography/norm...y-fair#/page/5
You've got a lot of cyan and blues in about a half of the shot (notice the shadow of the flag color cast) yet the model's arms are strictly uniform in colour.

[r*po]

Originally Posted by insmac

Movie-like color grading plays a major part in these shots. Oversaturated, deepened shadows tend towards green and blue yet almost everything in range from mids to highs gets an yellowish tint.
.

Thanks insmac for contributing.

In that image you linked to her skin looks very much "hand tinted" not so much an adjustment and you can see a difference in the shadows.
although I understand this, whenever I attempt to color an image in this way im just not content with the results, especially when trying to achieve skin that is yellow without looking way off.

I guess my inquery is more about finding a resource that is a better guide onto how to do this well. I understand the theory of it without being too technical and can use curves, or levels, and some other things to get color into shadows and highlights. I do understand the masking, but Ive sort of of found overall guides to common techniques used in high fashion color are difficult to find. You see so many bad tutorials, sometimes you just want guidance to a proper way.
It would be great to find some guides to doing these techniques well or at least on the right track.

for instance in that image I linked to earlier I can get that blue in the clothes but have trouble with the richness in color while maintaining the texture. then theres too much blue in the face in areas I don't want, but masking doesn't seem to be the answer because there's still shadows in the face. Im wondering if in this instance its just going back in and painting a bit with white as well as just a bit on a mask for the color. I know thats where the artform comes in but like I said sometimes when you havent seen it done well you just dont know if you're going about it wrong or almost there.

the only decent resource ive found to discussing actual fashion coloring techniques ( closer to Mert & Marcus than norman jean roy) is this thread
which shows a couple ways to get the afeect, one working form a copy of teh blue channel and another with just one selective color adjustment.


http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?th...2#post15565413

whats nice about this is it is a fairly common technique and look and yet as you can see in thread, even in telling people how to get it they all have a different application of it. even though looking at an image edite din this way you can understand the theory of it its just nice to see actual useful application so you can see how something like this can be achieved in a before and after well enough to play with beyond "add blue to the shadows, orange to midtones." its even said in the thread that this isnt the right method to approach a jean roy type portrait although this odes add blue to the shadows its not in the right way for the image type.

[santoro80]

Originally Posted by r*po

I can get that blue in the clothes but have trouble with the richness in color while maintaining the texture

I think thats because when you add blue tone to the shadows, the blacks are no loger there and the contrast is therefore decreased, so the clothes could look flat and without texture. I dont know how to solve it... maybe apply some microcontrast/D&B?

I tried to color grade this behind the scenes image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clemato...n/photostream/
Here is my result:
http://s16.postimage.org/ulftu83jn/annie.jpg
Am I close? (I just add cyan/blue tone to the shadows and highlights and add a little bit of contrast)
This is the final image by Annie:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clemato...n/photostream/

[ShadowLight]

I'm not quite sure what you are looking for, but pragmatically some of the gradings above are not that hard to achieve like:

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...process=winter

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...rocess=couture

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...&process=ocean

or maybe even something towards the grading of the movie hugo:
http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...ocess=hugoplus

please note that non of the links above hosts an image. it just takes Santoro80's snapshot of the behind the scenes and grades them on the go. (so if he deletes his image, my links won't work)

in PS you should get same results with lum masks or selective corrections

[r*po]

Originally Posted by ShadowLight

I'm not quite sure what you are looking for, but pragmatically some of the gradings above are not that hard to achieve like:

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...process=winter

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...rocess=couture

http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...&process=ocean

or maybe even something towards the grading of the movie hugo:
http://46it.ca/grade/?image=aHR0cDov...ocess=hugoplus

please note that non of the links above hosts an image. it just takes Santoro80's snapshot of the behind the scenes and grades them on the go. (so if he deletes his image, my links won't work)

in PS you should get same results with lum masks or selective corrections

while its true you dont have the raw or even decent image to work from and that does make a difference these color grades are the approach in theory to add colors to the shadow which no is not hard to achieve, but the results also still lend themselves to show something missing and a different approach.

would you be willing to at least share what you did to achieve those grades?

[adamk]

bump.
Im still trying to play around with his skin tones. it looks like there is not a lot of red in the skin tones, is this done through color selection and playing around with the Reds. OR by going into curves and just adding cyan? any help is appreciated

[gangbeng]

may be here you can grab info about Norman Jean Roy look

[DJSoulglo]

Got a job coming up for him in April, will report back after.

[adtechniques]

Originally Posted by DJSoulglo

Got a job coming up for him in April, will report back after.

Can't wait