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Old 10-31-2010, 08:39 PM
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Re: Automatic Skin Smoothing.

My second go, using the plug-in. Full view for details.

http://boneappetit.deviantart.com/#/d31wzif
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:27 AM
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Re: Automatic Skin Smoothing.

looks good, but as you know it's just a matter of taste
I usually take the pores/bumps out.

... don't forget that whenever you make corrections this way you remove contrast too, so it's a good to give some contrast back to the image after retouch.

here's one manipulation I did some time ago, using same techniques (it was just not automated then)

Photographer: Aesthete Studios
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:15 AM
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Re: Automatic Skin Smoothing.

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My second go, using the plug-in. Full view for details.

http://boneappetit.deviantart.com/#/d31wzif
Very nice kudos
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:20 AM
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looks good, but as you know it's just a matter of taste
I usually take the pores/bumps out.

... don't forget that whenever you make corrections this way you remove contrast too, so it's a good to give some contrast back to the image after retouch.

here's one manipulation I did some time ago, using same techniques (it was just not automated then)

Photographer: Aesthete Studios
Oh man, I've seen this before, didn't know it was you... Excellent job.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:51 AM
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Oh man, I've seen this before, didn't know it was you... Excellent job.
... what can I say... I live in shadows
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:56 AM
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Very nice kudos
Thax a lot, I appreciate it !
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:44 PM
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Re: Automatic Skin Smoothing.

First off lemme just say this plug-in is fantastic. I was a little confused by the way it worked at first but I'm starting to get the hang of it. There are a few things I had questions about however:

- What is the benefit to using the "Exact" and "Variable" pore adjustment bar?

- I was testing the plug-in on one of my photos and I saw absolutely no benefit when moving the bar towards the "Blotches" side. In fact, it made the image significantly worse the more a shifted it to that side. It actually would add blotchiness to the photos rather than take it away.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:59 PM
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Re: Automatic Skin Smoothing.

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To make things clear about the "Apply"... - it is not relevant in this case.

I want to point out that Sean Baker also uses HP when it comes to this technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0IrnjfCgPQ

However he uses Contrast -50, which will leave noise and if not used as an adjustment layer introduces luminosity shift (something he failed to notice).

Control of the alpha truncates the noise that is between 127/128 to clean smooth 127.
since the goal is to leave a smooth mid-gray I find my way superior. However if you like to show it is not with an example, I will gladly correct the implementation to whatever works best.
I explained to you at MM why the technique is different when you do it like that and consequently why that result is undesirable to many. The 'noise' (actually, the rounding error) ironically is desirable as after a bandstop operation (pseudo-blur), the slight jitter actually helps to mask the result.

In any case, I wrote it up here (end of post), but I did track down what's going on with the different B/C versions and reported the bug to Adobe. In all cases they give no difference in results from the HP filter, the quality of whose output should be tantamount in this discussion; whereas using the HP filter without a contrast adjustment does diminish the quality of result - assuming that it's even visible at the given output depth (8bpc maybe; 16bpc no way).

Last edited by bakerser; 11-01-2010 at 09:15 PM. Reason: Added clarity (not the LR / ACR type tho :P )
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:14 PM
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not even Sean uses it for IHP/degrunge
Cite your source please .
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:00 PM
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Cite your source please .
you didn't show the context however the discussion at one point was that "high pass sucks" and using "apply" is much more precise. I pointed out that the even the evangelist of hand-separation Sean uses HP when it comes to the technique I'm using.

video is made by "seanrbaker" himself (yourself?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0IrnjfCgPQ

Thank you for the insight that noise helps "mask" the correction, but I would like to see an example. (if you like to make this argument, the same will apply to manual frequency separation as your corrections will be masked by the noise, which is nonsense)

Personally I can't visually see a difference other when testing the full band (when it comes to adjustment layer), however when contrast is applied directly it does shift the lum. as you can see clearly in the tests. (or do we have to close our eye for the sake of using "contrast -50" ?)

As I said, show me example why the other way is better, and I will gladly implement it.
So far you haven't done it.

Edit:... I'm not sure what you actually ask here... you ask me to use "contrast -50" something that you have "submitted a bug for", and you showed no proof that it is better?

or you are just trolling...eh? Sean

besides he/you didn't invent the frequency separation, so I don't get what the big deals is... what he does is nothing new.

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