saturation mask and Glow , do you know how do it ?

[mantra]

Hi


i'm reading some tutorials

about saturation mask


http://goodlight.us/writing/saturati...satmask-1.html

and grow effect
http://www.goodlight.us/writing/make...eitglow-1.html

but honestly i did not understand ,lack of english , that's poor
and google translator doesn't help very much , honestly very often sucks


do you know how do it ?
maybe may someone add an action , so i can load and study it


thanks
cheers

[creativeretouch]

Hi Mantra,

those pages are just sample pages of an e-book. If you will donate you will get it by email.

[ShadowLight]

try here:
http://www.thelightsrightstudio.com/...rationMask.htm

[mistermonday]

You can make a Saturation mask in just a few seconds by doing the following:
- Above your background, add a Gradient Map Adjustment layer; Choose the standard default white / black gradient.
- Change the blend mode of that layer to Difference
- Select All and Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy merged) and go to the Channel Palette, create a new channel and paste into that channel. That alpha channel is now your saturation map.
- Delete the gradiant map adj layer.
Regards, Murray

[Der_W]

Originally Posted by mistermonday

You can make a Saturation mask in just a few seconds by doing the following:
- Above your background, add a Gradient Map Adjustment layer; Choose the standard default white / black gradient.
- Change the blend mode of that layer to Difference
- Select All and Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy merged) and go to the Channel Palette, create a new channel and paste into that channel. That alpha channel is now your saturation map.
- Delete the gradiant map adj layer.
Regards, Murray

I wouldn't recommend this one because it isn't very accurate (try setting the gradient map to "Luminosity". Everything that changes now, will be recorded in your future mask although it has little to nothing to do with saturation.).

My preferred way is to use a new Selective Color adj. layer (method: Absolute, blending mode: Normal), decrease the "Black" in all the colors to -100%, increase the black of all the non-colors (Whites, Neutrals, Blacks) to +100%.
It's the same as using RGB_MAX-RGB_MIN which is what most people would call chroma (saturation in dependence on the lightness -> no 100% saturated blacks etc.).
The advantage of this is, that it's quite dynamic, so you can have a live preview on how the saturation changes while you're working.

I attached a preset for the Selective Color in case my description confused you ;-).

Edit: Of course there are many ways to skin a cat, that's why I said, that this is just my preferred way. Others might have theirs and that is just fine :-).

[Aladdin]

@Der_W: I did it, it looks scary glow B/W, really really scary, what gives? I even loaded your preset, same result. Looks like some other steps are required, did I jump in the middle of steps?

[mantra]

Originally Posted by creativeretouch

Hi Mantra,

those pages are just sample pages of an e-book. If you will donate you will get it by email.

yes i know thanks
but the eboot is hard to understand like the tutorial

[mantra]

Originally Posted by mistermonday

You can make a Saturation mask in just a few seconds by doing the following:
- Above your background, add a Gradient Map Adjustment layer; Choose the standard default white / black gradient.
- Change the blend mode of that layer to Difference
- Select All and Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy merged) and go to the Channel Palette, create a new channel and paste into that channel. That alpha channel is now your saturation map.
- Delete the gradiant map adj layer.
Regards, Murray

thanks a lot
but i don't think it's a real luminosity saturation mask
because with hue/saturation i get quickly the colors clipping

Originally Posted by Der_W

I wouldn't recommend this one because it isn't very accurate (try setting the gradient map to "Luminosity". Everything that changes now, will be recorded in your future mask although it has little to nothing to do with saturation.).

My preferred way is to use a new Selective Color adj. layer (method: Absolute, blending mode: Normal), decrease the "Black" in all the colors to -100%, increase the black of all the non-colors (Whites, Neutrals, Blacks) to +100%.
It's the same as using RGB_MAX-RGB_MIN which is what most people would call chroma (saturation in dependence on the lightness -> no 100% saturated blacks etc.).
The advantage of this is, that it's quite dynamic, so you can have a live preview on how the saturation changes while you're working.

I attached a preset for the Selective Color in case my description confused you ;-).

Edit: Of course there are many ways to skin a cat, that's why I said, that this is just my preferred way. Others might have theirs and that is just fine :-).

thanks!

should i add this step too ?

- Select All and Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy merged) and go to the Channel Palette, create a new channel and paste into that channel. That alpha channel is now your saturation map.

the colors with this mask clips too



but does somebody know how do the glow effect like the tutorial?

the saturation mask should be a tool like vibrance , shouldn't?


thanks to all

[creativeretouch]

Try to go through Luminosity Masks first and than return back.

[Der_W]

The effect should be a scary looking b/w indeed ;-).
The brighter the image is, the more saturated the areas are (and vice versa).
To get a mask from this, just load the selections of any of the three individual channels (e.g. the red channel using [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[3]) and discard the Selective Color layer.
Now the selection contains all the saturated areas :-).
(As I said, the mask is dynamical, that's why you see it on the fly and it'll change on the fly. Try adding a Hue/Saturation adj. layer underneath and increase/decrease the saturation.)

@mantra: You could also use the copy merged function, but this will give you a slightly darker (I guess gamma corrected) version of the mask. It doesn't really matter but my preference is to work with the brighter mask for starters :-).

Edit: As for the glow effect (yesterday the page just wouldn't load), you could use the same saturation mask you just asked for.
Select the areas with little saturation (in my case inverse the selection) and add a new Hue/Saturation adj. layer set to "Color" mode.
Now increase the saturation to about +45.

Edit #2: If you want me to, I'll do a short video tutorial about this technique :-).

[mantra]

Originally Posted by creativeretouch

Try to go through Luminosity Masks first and than return back.

i got the ebook
but i did not get the actions

[mantra]

Originally Posted by Der_W

My preferred way is to use a new Selective Color adj. layer (method: Absolute, blending mode: Normal), decrease the "Black" in all the colors to -100%, increase the black of all the non-colors (Whites, Neutrals, Blacks) to +100%.
It's the same as using RGB_MAX-RGB_MIN which is what most people would call chroma (saturation in dependence on the lightness -> no 100% saturated blacks etc.).
The advantage of this is, that it's quite dynamic, so you can have a live preview on how the saturation changes while you're working.




Edit #2: If you want me to, I'll do a short video tutorial about this technique :-).

thanks a lot for the kindness
i'm using your skill about saturation mask
to create the mask i should go in the channel palete and click on rgb or R or B or B to get it
right
no

Select All and Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy merged) and go to the Channel Palette, create a new channel and paste into that channel.

about a video , it would super cool , but it's matter of time
if you like ,when you have time , we will appreciate it

[creativeretouch]

Forget actions. Try to understand what you doing and then you will be able to create your own actions ...

It is not easy but you will be happy with the result.

[Der_W]

I don't know why, but my screen recording just decided to give me some headache (which means that the videos are about 8GB in size, black and white and extremely distorted...).
Anyways, I created a set of actions to create the saturation mask (in the channels palette) or an immediate glow effect (which uses the saturation mask action, so don't rename/move these if you don't know how to rerecord actions): http://www.sendspace.com/file/xds7hu

If I manage to get a straight tutorial done, I'm going to edit my post.

Edit: It worked :-): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xCo-nKpMSU

[mantra]

Originally Posted by Der_W

I don't know why, but my screen recording just decided to give me some headache (which means that the videos are about 8GB in size, black and white and extremely distorted...).
Anyways, I created a set of actions to create the saturation mask (in the channels palette) or an immediate glow effect (which uses the saturation mask action, so don't rename/move these if you don't know how to rerecord actions): http://www.sendspace.com/file/xds7hu

If I manage to get a straight tutorial done, I'm going to edit my post.

Edit: It worked :-): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xCo-nKpMSU

WOW
great love it

i enjoyed it a lot a lot!!! I did not do the same steps ...to make the luminocity mask , now it's amazing
may i download the video with downloadhelper ?

you know what i would love to ask you
do you the Ansel Adamas 's system zone ? i'm sure you know
is there a way to make 10 luminocity maskes respecting the 10 zone?

if you have ,if could make an action , i would really super happy!!!!

thank you so much

ps i will skype you if i may

[mantra]

by the way i'm still using cs3
i got some issue with cs5



i renamed MMXCore.8BX to MMXCore.8BX.old and i 'm testing
i got crashes i click on the masks palete color->color range

by the way do you use cs5?

with is you fav photoshop cs,cs2 ,cs3 ,cs4 or cs5
my fav is cs3
which i did not like it is cs4

yes i know it's offtopic ,sorry

[Aladdin]

Thanks Jonas, now I get it and understand it. The video made it all make sense.

Ladies/Gentlemen, we should nominate Jonas for the Noble Prize for Peace - PhotoShop Artistic Help for humanity and mere mortals. Serious.

[mantra]

Originally Posted by Aladdin

Thanks Jonas, now I get it and understand it. The video made it all make sense.

Ladies/Gentlemen, we should nominate Jonas for the Noble Prize for Peace - PhotoShop Artistic Help for humanity and mere mortals. Serious.

I agree 100%

[Der_W]

Aw, it's great to see that you like it :-)!
You know what? Just a few hours ago I optimized my "Luminosity masks" action (it creates 15 curves adj. layers for the brightest lights to the darkest shadows and the narrowest mid-tones in between), I'll just upload it for you :-).
I don't know, in how far this represents Adam's zones, but if it doesn't fit, I'll just do a little research ;-)
Download it if you want to, the tutorials are free to share/download etc.

Of course you may skype me :-). It's always nice to chat with similar minded people *g*

Yeah, I'm using CS5 at the moment. I think the best was CS3 (CS4 didn't have anything that I was too fancy about and CS5 has its nifty things, but nothing too brilliant imho).
But since I'm a student still, affording CS5 wasn't that expensive and so I thought that all these little new features might as well make life a little easier for me ;-).

@Aladdin: thank you! But like Adrian Crenshaw once said so fittingly: "I'm just a geek with too much time on my hands" ;-).
And we're all here to share and learn. I didn't learn everything on my own as well, so it's just right to give a little of this back to the community :-).

Edit: Btw., I forgot to add this, renaming the MMXCore.8BX (or for that matter even the FastCore.8BX) didn't result in any crashes on my computer. But possibly if you're experiencing crashes, you should just rename it back again, don't you think ;-)?

[Boneappetit]

Originally Posted by Der_W

Aw, it's great to see that you like it :-)!
You know what? Just a few hours ago I optimized my "Luminosity masks" action (it creates 15 curves adj. layers for the brightest lights to the darkest shadows and the narrowest mid-tones in between), I'll just upload it for you :-).
again, don't you think ;-)?

Wow, this is really great, and very nice of you to post it here. After seen your video, I was going to ask you if there's a way to save those settings, but now that's not necessary. Thanx a lot man.

[mantra]

Originally Posted by Der_W

Aw, it's great to see that you like it :-)!
You know what? Just a few hours ago I optimized my "Luminosity masks" action (it creates 15 curves adj. layers for the brightest lights to the darkest shadows and the narrowest mid-tones in between), I'll just upload it for you :-).
I don't know, in how far this represents Adam's zones, but if it doesn't fit, I'll just do a little research ;-)
Download it if you want to, the tutorials are free to share/download etc.

the action is great , really great
the system zone is only 10 maskes , it divides all the luminocity in 10 masks , every mask with same same range of light

by the way may i ask 2 questions ?

is possible to create a saturation mask or a luminocity mask based on 1 color or a range or colors ?

i mean in a headshot picture ,there is a orange scarf
is possible make a saturation mask or a luminocity mask based on the color of the sharf ? 1 color or range of colors(the orange scarf )



the second question is , is there a tip or skill to retouch and keep the colors natural ?
i mean i can retouch a blue sky , or a green grass , and change the blue or the green
is there a skill or tip to keep the blue and the green real ?
i mean i can play and change the green and blue , and obtain a green grass that doesn't exist , or blue sky that in the real world doesn't exist

thanks

[creativeretouch]

Creating Selections from Color Tools: Hidden Selections
By Chris Tarantino

http://www.pmai.org/WorkArea/linkit....d&ItemID=17150

http://www.pmai.org/content.aspx?id=9970

[Der_W]

creativeretouch's links are really great and will probably answer your first question :-).
Another approach would be to combine two masks to one by first using e.g. "Select"-"Color Range" and [Shift]+[Ctrl]+[Alt]-clicking on the thumbnail of the mask you want to use (this will return just the intersections of the two).

For the second question, you could try using e.g. the "Luminosity" blend mode in Photoshop to retain the original color.
But I guess, you'd have to explain your idea a little more precisely to me, because on the other hand, maybe you want to restrain areas of too much saturation.
For this however you could also use a channel mixer adj. layer in "Pin Light" mode (~20% opacity). In this adj. layer set the method to "Monochromatic", and use 100% red.
Duplicate it and use 100% green, duplicate that again and use 100% blue. Fine tune to taste ;-).