RetouchPRO

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Retouching
Register Blogs FAQ Site Nav Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Photo Retouching "Improving" photos, post-production, correction, etc.

D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #51  
Old 01-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Repairman's Avatar
Repairman Repairman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bristol UK
Posts: 683
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

@Godmother - Ain't that the truth. However, it has always been a competitive game and I won't be throwing in the towel just yet! Love your work BTW.
R.
Reply With Quote top
  #52  
Old 01-07-2011, 03:48 PM
Markzebra's Avatar
Markzebra Markzebra is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 718
Change of subject, aren't Iphone's smart!

Quote:
"I am not going to teach you how to use photoshop. I am going to teach you how to retouch".
Yes. Hard to believe for many, but any chimp can learn how to use Photoshop. It's a lot easier than most professionals are willing to admit to themselves. Just because Photoshop is awesomely easy to use, does not necessarily mean that you are awesomely talented.

Superficial learning, enough to achieve results, can actually be done in less that two weeks. There are 100's of people out there professionally, who have deceived themselves into a belief that their perceived 'technical knowledge' has any value whatsoever. Craftsmen are 10 a penny these days. They can be found anywhere. As a result of this misconception, most companies, if they advertise for even low paid 'trainee's'*, receive 100's of applicants.

Retouching is about visual skills, not technique.

People who attach huge value to what they perceive as their immense 'technical skills' are usually crap Retouchers. And the most obvious response to being visually crap, is to try and turn it into some sort of technical sporting event or competition. Big mistake, you are going to wind everyone up. Especially if you don't have basics like being able to judge where a models shoulders are likely to be relative to his head. And technically you will find that you will lose your own competition anyway.

Quote:
Who said that? Quote?
Quote:
when the readers of the magazine have some say on the matter then your question will mean something to me.
All I can say is, some people around here are getting awful snooty.

* trainee: Lowly paid button pushing monkey. There to support the people earning a living wage.

Last edited by Markzebra; 01-07-2011 at 04:07 PM.
Reply With Quote top
  #53  
Old 01-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Godmother's Avatar
Godmother Godmother is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 814
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Haven't seen you in a while. How are you doing?
X
Reply With Quote top
  #54  
Old 01-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Markzebra's Avatar
Markzebra Markzebra is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 718
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Hello, you heart stoppingly cute South American babe. I'm Ok, thanks for asking. 'Earning a living wage' as they say.
Reply With Quote top
  #55  
Old 01-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Godmother's Avatar
Godmother Godmother is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 814
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Don't be so dramatic... You still have time to be a charmer in the forums don't ya?
X
Reply With Quote top
  #56  
Old 01-07-2011, 05:11 PM
creativeretouch creativeretouch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London
Posts: 502
Re: Change of subject, aren't Iphone's smart!

I would suggest to BLUR last two replies but I must say

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markzebra View Post
Yes. Hard to believe for many, but any chimp can learn how to use Photoshop. It's a lot easier than most professionals are willing to admit to themselves. Just because Photoshop is awesomely easy to use, does not necessarily mean that you are awesomely talented.

Superficial learning, enough to achieve results, can actually be done in less that two weeks. There are 100's of people out there professionally, who have deceived themselves into a belief that their perceived 'technical knowledge' has any value whatsoever. Craftsmen are 10 a penny these days. They can be found anywhere. As a result of this misconception, most companies, if they advertise for even low paid 'trainee's'*, receive 100's of applicants.

Retouching is about visual skills, not technique.

People who attach huge value to what they perceive as their immense 'technical skills' are usually crap Retouchers. And the most obvious response to being visually crap, is to try and turn it into some sort of technical sporting event or competition. Big mistake, you are going to wind everyone up. Especially if you don't have basics like being able to judge where a models shoulders are likely to be relative to his head. And technically you will find that you will lose your own competition anyway.

Quote:
Who said that? Quote?
Quote:
when the readers of the magazine have some say on the matter then your question will mean something to me.

All I can say is, some people around here are getting awful snooty.

* trainee: Lowly paid button pushing monkey. There to support the people earning a living wage.
I agree ...
Reply With Quote top
  #57  
Old 01-07-2011, 08:34 PM
JayRiches JayRiches is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 14
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Well in the end the result is what counts and the result is the look you gave the image. No technique can give you that except a good eye and some good taste i would say. But taste is relative and you cant have the perfect tase in every genre of photography there is. For example i'm fine with fashion and beauty retouching but i couldnt do gothic style images because i m 1. not into it and 2. i m missing the eye for this kind of style.

D&B is not the only real thing to use...but its a great technique if you mastered it. To me there is a difference between a several hour skin retouch with d&b on pixel size zoom and images that have been done in 2-3 hours.
Just refering to skin here.

Take for example this image thats been retouched with D&B on pore level mostly http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/16745789
It does look way different to me from a 2-3 hour image. The skin is simply different.

But in the end it depends who you're working for and what he mostly likes. I've seen this nice Dior Advertisment of a close up faceshot. The retoucher definitly had the choice if he wanted skin texture or a smooth look. In the end it just looked very smooth without skintexture. Didnt look bad though...its a thing of preference of the art director. Nobody will ask people reading the magazine if they like skin texture or a smoother look...

Go with the flow (of the client) i would say and satisfy the needs of your client.

Last edited by JayRiches; 01-07-2011 at 08:41 PM.
Reply With Quote top
  #58  
Old 01-07-2011, 08:56 PM
creativeretouch creativeretouch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London
Posts: 502
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

I hope all of you understand I have used sarkasm when I was talking about blurring.
I personally use method which I picked up in Chris Tarantino's tutorials. Occasionally I use two layers with curves when I need it.

Does anyone knows what those markups means?
http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/10/27...o-his-printer/

(again, this question is not targeted to people who were retouchers or photographers before Photoshop)
Reply With Quote top
  #59  
Old 01-08-2011, 06:53 AM
Godmother's Avatar
Godmother Godmother is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 814
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

+exposure/light
- exposure/light

(?)

Last edited by Godmother; 01-08-2011 at 06:54 AM. Reason: Forgot the (?)
Reply With Quote top
  #60  
Old 01-08-2011, 07:23 AM
Markzebra's Avatar
Markzebra Markzebra is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: London, UK
Posts: 718
Re: D & B? I am struggling to believe this

Quote:
Does anyone knows what those markups means?
Yes.

Quote:
retouchers or photographers before Photoshop
Before Photoshop it was done using various techniques. Applying substances such as very diluted bleach to transparencies with a small brush. Very Gradually and carefully, same way as it should be done now. Problem is in those days people needed highly specialised equipment, a good eye, and a very steady hand. Skills that not everyone had.

In these days with the advent of very cheap Windows PC's and Bit Torrented Photoshop, everyone all over the world has the technical skills. Or people can develop at least a few of these skills in a pretty short period of time. Long before they have mastered the visual skills. Hence the dilemma. And the vacuum sealed, machine made Retouching you see everywhere. And this type of work, ugly as it is, through repetition, everyone seems getting used to, and aspiring to.
Reply With Quote top
Reply

  RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Retouching


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Color Management: Really struggling with colour correcting images.. CapnBloodbeard Input/Output/Workflow 7 04-28-2010 02:08 PM
Struggling with values needed to make a selection. marcel_911 Photoshop Scripting 0 04-13-2010 05:43 PM
Anyone else struggling to find work? Imagepro4U Work/Jobs 16 01-05-2006 12:15 AM
struggling with an old polaroid (dark + scratches) questdvd Image Help 8 10-19-2003 05:33 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2016 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved