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Old 01-07-2011, 11:02 AM
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I knew that would get some response, but what if your client demands CMYK files, and doesn't care to hear why thats a bad idea?
What then?
Two options. Cave in to client request and most likely hear from client and press operator that the color stinks and you’ve hosed the job (at potentially thousands of dollars an hour of press time, you can kiss that client good by).

Option two, educate the client. If they still demand you convert to CMYK, have a really good delivery notice that specifies NO responsibly on your part for issues that might happen on press. Get a lawyer to make sure its written correctly and that client signs the delivery notice.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:34 AM
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Well Andrew I agree with you (remember I recommended to provide RGB files, unless they offer you the cmyk profile optimised for the press and paper stock).

In the cases where my hand is forced, I've caved and gone with option one, and luckily never been stung - likely because the they were printing on coated stock using sheetfed or web (SWOPv2) press.

Anyways, I retract my generalised statement. Kids, just don't do it.


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Old 01-07-2011, 11:34 AM
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Option two, educate the client. If they still demand you convert to CMYK, have a really good delivery notice that specifies NO responsibly on your part for issues that might happen on press. Get a lawyer to make sure its written correctly and that client signs the delivery notice.
OK. Not trying to pick a fight but have you actually done this?
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:36 AM
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I'll supply the client with whatever they want.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:41 AM
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I'll supply the client with whatever they want.
only problem is often the client doesn't know what they need. And saying 'I want CMYK' is only half a request, they need to give you the output specifications for CMYK to mean anything.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:48 AM
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Re: CMYK question

Very true. And, (IMHO) this is where Mr. Rodney's theory comes into play. Provide a format that can be used ANYWHERE. I can understand that.

Telling a client that you won't be responsible for what something looks like? That's another animal.

Truth is that anyone who knows color really well, knows whether or not someone else does.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:49 AM
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Ok then I would give both and tell the client to let the printer decide. Before conversion always check for out of range colors and density. Stay under 300% and never go 0% leave something there around 2% (also depends on the printer) Good luck!
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:58 AM
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OK. Not trying to pick a fight but have you actually done this?
Yup. In fact when I was shooting, no work was delivered without a signed delivery notice (it spelled out reproduction rights and usages, payment etc).
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Ok then I would give both and tell the client to let the printer decide. Before conversion always check for out of range colors and density. Stay under 300% and never go 0% leave something there around 2% (also depends on the printer) Good luck!
Higher-end presses can handle higher total in densities (350%)
With direct file to plate many can handle 1-3% densities without dropping off these days, giving the ability to fade to a spec highlight at 0%.
Now, I'm not going to say more, because its been along time since I've actually been at the printers... don't want to say anything thats going to get someone in trouble!

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Old 01-07-2011, 12:12 PM
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Re: CMYK question

The mimimum dot thing doesn't really matter that much anymore unless there's detail (in there) being destroyed. Maybe some weird rattyness, etc.

It's origin is in film. If there was no dot on the film, there was nothing there to manipulate with light or chemicals.

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