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Old 09-14-2011, 12:53 PM
mglover92 mglover92 is offline
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Robert Randall

Hi guys, So robert Randall posted a little tutorial in a thread along time ago about Dave hill. However the images do not work anymore. I was wondering if anyone had the images saved and such so I can follow along with it to see what the heck im doing??
This is the tutorial below.

"First, some observations…

I didn’t watch the nerd video, if there was one, because I didn’t want to be affected by anything other than the image itself. If I’m wrong about some of my observations, well tough shit.

The nerd wasn’t shot at the same time the hallway or other students were shot. Check for missing side highlights on other students.

DH seems to favor wider lenses, which lend a great deal of impact to his already surreal approach.

I’m thinking he does a lot of his post in CMYK, mostly because it appears the colors are in gamut, which is difficult to obtain using the techniques I’m going to outline for you.

I’m still reeling over his technique of calling out “1 2 3 smile” to his subjects. But it does seem to jive with his somewhat casual lighting format.

His lighting is very simple, but as is the case in this image, it’s not always with a camera mounted ring flash. Although from what I’ve seen in his videos, he probably had someone holding the ring flash off camera.

This particular image has the main on the nerd coming from high camera right. This light subtly helps to separate the others from the main nerd. The others are lit from a source that was probably behind the spot the nerd was inserted in front of. If you consider the placement of the ceiling lights, the scene is believable.

His final style is possibly aided by the placement of the lights, but more relevant are the white and black points he uses and the way he compresses the mid tone to off set the highlight, making the highlight the king of his scenes. Take away that one aspect and his pictures look like everyone else’s, well, except maybe for the scene, the casting, the wardrobe, the expressions, the composition, the color palette, the wardrobe… you get my drift.


Notice the ceiling and how it separates from the sidewalls. This was done with some sort of selection and tone control. This is referred to as local contrast control.

Notice blown out highlight on low locker left. Nice way to separate the subjects from the scene and give everything an added dimension.

Notice how nothing I’ve said so far has anything to do with any fairy tale dragon filter.

Now, how he does it…

First of all, forget all about any dumb ass High Pass techniques you’ve been thinking of, because from what I can see, he doesn’t use them. Nor does he use a huge amount of Unsharp Mask. He uses local contrast controls through selections and masks.

For instance, look at the back pack on the other guy camera a right. Normally that item would be blocked up and lacking detail. Make a lasso selection around the back pack and ask for a layer curve. Brighten to taste. Next go to the same guys pants and do the same thing over for the pants. Now go to the sweater. Now go to the next guy and do the same thing to his little blue bag, then his sweater. Cross the hall to the guy and his leather jacket. Curve that, then his pants and then his hair. Do this local selection curve technique to anything you feel like, when finished pumping up the local contrast, go get something to drink. Come back and judge whether you’ve gone too far or not far enough, and then fix stuff to taste.

Next, make a Highlight mask like this…

http://www.robert-randall.com/MM/HL%20mask%201.jpg[/img]

Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring highlight up slightly.

Next, make a Highlight Mask like this…

http://www.robert-randall.com/MM/HL%20mask%202.jpg[/img]

Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring highlight up slightly more. Notice how the picture starts to take on a sense of depth and life that you’re not familiar with. Fun, huh?

Next, make a Shadow mask like this…

http://www.robert-randall.com/MM/shadow%20mask%201.jpg[/img]

Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring shadow down just a little bit, don’t get carried away here, it isn’t the right time for it.


Next, make a Shadow mask like this, or darker yet…

http://www.robert-randall.com/MM/shadow%20mask%202.jpg[/img]

Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Now play with killing any detail you might have in this local select area of the shadow. This move sets up the down side of the picture just like the HL mask sets up the upside. By now you should be experiencing a sense of depth that will keep you off the porn sites for at least an hour. We’re not done yet!

Next make a difference mask like this…

http://www.robert-randall.com/MM/diff%20mask%201.jpg[/img]

Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Now you can play with adding or detracting density from the midtone area to help create the illusion of more density. Usually this is a darkening move, but it can go the other way too.

Now ask for an empty layer and change its mode to softlight. Note that you can also use hard light or overlay if you prefer. Wherever you see a highlight that you want to embellish, start painting white with a brush, wrinkles, teeth, cheeks, lips, what ever you like, paint until you’re eyes bleed. My way of doing this is to then blur the painted layer and add a Highlight Mask from the selection I gave you above. This is why my pictures don’t look like Jill Greenberg’s or Dave Hill’s. I use control over my painting emotional out bursts. Paint those arm and leg highlights too, don’t miss a thing!

Now do the same think with black paint on another softlight layer. Use a mask, don’t use a mask, it’s completely up to you.

If you still think there is room to screw the pooch a little harder, create a compound layer of all you have done and de-saturate it. Change the mode to soft or hard light and watch your contrast go through the roof. Still not enough? Make another compound copy and de-saturate it. Change the mode and ask for a HP filter. Give it a number of between 2 and 250 and watch that picture go thermo nuclear on you. Go to the closest mirror you can find and say the words “Fuck Dave Hill, you’re the man!”.

Any rational person at this point will note there are a thousand ways to skin a digital cat. What I’ve laid out is the basis for how young Mr. Hill achieves his look. I haven’t given you every nuance, because that could take days, and I may have missed a small point or two. But you should have learned at least one major point; there is no shortcut filter available that will do this. Also, you aren’t Dave Hill and even armed with this info, your pictures won’t look like his. But hopefully they will look like yours.

Okay, I’m ready for every malcontent know nothing wanna be that feels a need to challenge me on my DH dissection. Let me say in advance… fuck you, you don’t know what you’re talking about."

Im sure people know what im talking about. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:21 AM
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Re: Robert Randall

This was the image he was dissecting:

http://www.ilovephotoblogs.com/wp-co...-nerd-geek.jpg
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:35 PM
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Re: Robert Randall

Thanks. Yep I know thats the image. Im wondering if people know anything about the links sense they expired.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:37 PM
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Re: Robert Randall

Dear Mglover92, can you repost the link of Robert Randall tutorial?
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:09 PM
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Dear Mglover92, can you repost the link of Robert Randall tutorial?
I found the tutorial in the dave hill thread that was over 75 pages long. It was in there but the pictures did not work so I did not know what to do.
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Old 09-16-2011, 04:17 PM
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mglover, convert to pdf, make a zip and post here!
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Old 09-16-2011, 04:34 PM
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mglover, convert to pdf, make a zip and post here!
Can you explain how I go about doing that?
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:14 AM
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Can you explain how I go about doing that?
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:49 PM
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Re: Robert Randall

I'd appreciate these too if anyone has them?
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:26 PM
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Re: Robert Randall

I have the images. I don't know how to place them inline with his text, but I've uploaded them in the order they should appear. Specifically: Highlight, Highlight 2, Shadow, Shadow 2, Difference.

Enjoy.

And credit to Robert Randall and Dave Hill.

Quote:
First, some observations…

I didn’t watch the nerd video, if there was one, because I didn’t want to be affected by anything other than the image itself. If I’m wrong about some of my observations, well tough shit.

The nerd wasn’t shot at the same time the hallway or other students were shot. Check for missing side highlights on other students.

DH seems to favor wider lenses, which lend a great deal of impact to his already surreal approach.

I’m thinking he does a lot of his post in CMYK, mostly because it appears the colors are in gamut, which is difficult to obtain using the techniques I’m going to outline for you.

I’m still reeling over his technique of calling out “1 2 3 smile” to his subjects. But it does seem to jive with his somewhat casual lighting format.

His lighting is very simple, but as is the case in this image, it’s not always with a camera mounted ring flash. Although from what I’ve seen in his videos, he probably had someone holding the ring flash off camera.

This particular image has the main on the nerd coming from high camera right. This light subtly helps to separate the others from the main nerd. The others are lit from a source that was probably behind the spot the nerd was inserted in front of. If you consider the placement of the ceiling lights, the scene is believable.

His final style is possibly aided by the placement of the lights, but more relevant are the white and black points he uses and the way he compresses the mid tone to off set the highlight, making the highlight the king of his scenes. Take away that one aspect and his pictures look like everyone else’s, well, except maybe for the scene, the casting, the wardrobe, the expressions, the composition, the color palette, the wardrobe… you get my drift.


Notice the ceiling and how it separates from the sidewalls. This was done with some sort of selection and tone control. This is referred to as local contrast control.

Notice blown out highlight on low locker left. Nice way to separate the subjects from the scene and give everything an added dimension.

Notice how nothing I’ve said so far has anything to do with any fairy tale dragon filter.

Now, how he does it…

First of all, forget all about any dumb ass High Pass techniques you’ve been thinking of, because from what I can see, he doesn’t use them. Nor does he use a huge amount of Unsharp Mask. He uses local contrast controls through selections and masks.

For instance, look at the back pack on the other guy camera a right. Normally that item would be blocked up and lacking detail. Make a lasso selection around the back pack and ask for a layer curve. Brighten to taste. Next go to the same guys pants and do the same thing over for the pants. Now go to the sweater. Now go to the next guy and do the same thing to his little blue bag, then his sweater. Cross the hall to the guy and his leather jacket. Curve that, then his pants and then his hair. Do this local selection curve technique to anything you feel like, when finished pumping up the local contrast, go get something to drink. Come back and judge whether you’ve gone too far or not far enough, and then fix stuff to taste.

Next, make a Highlight mask like this…



Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring highlight up slightly.

Next, make a Highlight Mask like this…



Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring highlight up slightly more. Notice how the picture starts to take on a sense of depth and life that you’re not familiar with. Fun, huh?

Next, make a Shadow mask like this…



Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Bring shadow down just a little bit, don’t get carried away here, it isn’t the right time for it.


Next, make a Shadow mask like this, or darker yet…



Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Now play with killing any detail you might have in this local select area of the shadow. This move sets up the down side of the picture just like the HL mask sets up the upside. By now you should be experiencing a sense of depth that will keep you off the porn sites for at least an hour. We’re not done yet!

Next make a difference mask like this…




Load it to make it active, and then ask for a layer curve. Now you can play with adding or detracting density from the midtone area to help create the illusion of more density. Usually this is a darkening move, but it can go the other way too.

Now ask for an empty layer and change its mode to softlight. Note that you can also use hard light or overlay if you prefer. Wherever you see a highlight that you want to embellish, start painting white with a brush, wrinkles, teeth, cheeks, lips, what ever you like, paint until you’re eyes bleed. My way of doing this is to then blur the painted layer and add a Highlight Mask from the selection I gave you above. This is why my pictures don’t look like Jill Greenberg’s or Dave Hill’s. I use control over my painting emotional out bursts. Paint those arm and leg highlights too, don’t miss a thing!

Now do the same think with black paint on another softlight layer. Use a mask, don’t use a mask, it’s completely up to you.

If you still think there is room to screw the pooch a little harder, create a compound layer of all you have done and de-saturate it. Change the mode to soft or hard light and watch your contrast go through the roof. Still not enough? Make another compound copy and de-saturate it. Change the mode and ask for a HP filter. Give it a number of between 2 and 250 and watch that picture go thermo nuclear on you. Go to the closest mirror you can find and say the words “Fuck Dave Hill, you’re the man!”.

Any rational person at this point will note there are a thousand ways to skin a digital cat. What I’ve laid out is the basis for how young Mr. Hill achieves his look. I haven’t given you every nuance, because that could take days, and I may have missed a small point or two. But you should have learned at least one major point; there is no shortcut filter available that will do this. Also, you aren’t Dave Hill and even armed with this info, your pictures won’t look like his. But hopefully they will look like yours.

Okay, I’m ready for every malcontent know nothing wanna be that feels a need to challenge me on my DH dissection. Let me say in advance… fuck you, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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Just some more to add to the mix .
From the June photoshop user mag - Kelbys recipe . Notice that he doesnt use any high pass filter now , unlike his blog attempt.

1. In ACR , drag sliders to full right for Recovery , Fill light , Contrast , Clarity and Vibrance all to 100.

2. Take blacks slider to right until image doesnt look washed out . Will look oversaturated.

3. Drag saturation to the left to get just a little color , so almost b/w then pull back to bring slight color.

4. Now open it into PS as Smart object , hold shift key so Open becomes Open Object . Right click ( macs control click ) and choose New smart object via copy.

5 . Double click directly on the copy layer thumnail to reopen it in ACR. Change this back to defaults using Camera Raw defaults under the word "basic" and click OK
Now back in PS with that layer active , hold Alt key (macs option key) and click on add layer mask icon .

6 . Now use your brush tool and lower opacity to around 40% and paint over facial areas with white to get rid of harshness in pores .
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File Type: jpg Shadow.jpg (56.9 KB, 219 views)
File Type: jpg Shadow_2.jpg (57.4 KB, 199 views)
File Type: jpg Difference.jpg (43.0 KB, 209 views)
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