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Minimum Size for D&B?

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Old 04-03-2012, 06:25 PM
Findedeux Findedeux is offline
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Minimum Size for D&B?

I am just learning about Dodge & Burn and noticed that the pixel-level D&B requires very fine picture detail. I have some old photos that I'd like to try D&B on but they are only 8MP resolution.

Is this too low a resolution to D&B on?
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:35 AM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

D&B doesn't have a real limit say in resolution ur just changing shades tonal range ie lighten and darken pixels to match.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

Doing everything at pixel level is dumb. These photos still have millions of pixels.
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:19 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

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Doing everything at pixel level is dumb.
Agreed x 1 million
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:34 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

Not knowing how to do pixel level D&B is dumber

D&B – Dodge & Burn – Working with light by Natalia Taffarel

http://nataliataffarel.tumblr.com/post/4551849530/dnb

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Originally Posted by Natalia Taffarel
Final notes:

When Dodging and Burning one should always keep a few things in mind:

• Brush settings are a personal choice. I a use soft brush most of the time, with opacity set to 3/10% and Flow set to 100%. Size of the brush, off course depends of the area that I’m working on /brushing.

• You can use mouse for all this, but I would highly recommend a graphic tablet, like Wacom.

• If you like using the 50% gray –softlight method:

a) Using a plain old blank layer, with no fill, will give you the same results. The only advantage in using a 50% gray layer is that you can actually see where you have painted.

b) You can also use the actual Dodge & Burn tools when working with a fill.

• Whenever we light something up we are making it stand out more.

• The brain perceives “lighter” as “closer” and darker as further: You can use D&B to create depth and we can also remove it as well (a.k.a.: When the subject is bright, making the BG lighter will probably reduce the depth)

• Eliminating shadows can also reduce the volume in elements (i.e: Nose and other features).

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Old 04-04-2012, 05:04 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

When I see people talking about "pixel level" dodge and burn, I'm picturing them working at 300% magnification, and working on patches like the attachment I have here. That seems really counterproductive as it would
a.) take waaaay too long to finish an image
and
b.) look kind of awful in the end.

It's that whole forest for the trees argument.

Also, in that Tafferel quote, I see nothing that references dodging and burning at pixel-level magnification.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:19 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

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Not knowing how to do pixel level D&B is dumber

D&B – Dodge & Burn – Working with light by Natalia Taffarel

http://nataliataffarel.tumblr.com/post/4551849530/dnb
If you're spending a lot of time working that way, you've developed some really bad habits. You quote the same person way too much. I'm sure you've applied some of this. Why not talk about it from that perspective rather than just quoting the same person over and over? Usually if you're zoomed in that far, it's because you're checking a potential mistake or something. It isn't where the majority of your time should be spent.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:00 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

First you retouch what is most obvious from afar, then when you're smewhat pleased you move further in. And if you only need a pic for web or something smaller you dont even need to fix smaller details.

8mpix is just fine, images of that size used to be a standard for magazines for years so don't concer yourself with that, and you can always upscale the image by 2 or 3 to ease the strain on the eyes.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:59 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

Sad no wonder I see so much trash here with such bad advice spouting Its cool tho all good no one stays at 300% you zoom in and out and use the best tool for the job. Pixel level D&B is highly useful as well as Inverted high pass, and Frequency separation all tools to do a pro job but hey who cares its dumb to learn to do it right....

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Old 04-04-2012, 07:53 PM
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Re: Minimum Size for D&B?

On the contrary, Kav gives some of the most consistently good advice that I've seen on this forum. I can't speak for Kav, but my problem with "pixel-level" is mostly semantics. I just think working at that level of magnification the majority of the time isn't productive in the long run. I zoom in and out for dodging and burning too, so why call it "pixel-level"? That's my only beef.
Also, just curious julianmaralis, do you make your living by retouching?
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