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Old 08-31-2012, 07:27 PM
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Knees and Hands

Evening,

Currently have a HATE relationship with most models Knees...

Any thoughts on how a knee "should" look?

Same things with hands, some models hands look good most look like claws...

Happy Friday!

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Old 08-31-2012, 09:07 PM
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Re: Knees and Hands

Hi and welcome to the forum

In truth a picture says a thousand words...

It may also help to explain your skill level(ish) so that folks can give appropriate advice.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:36 PM
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Re: Knees and Hands

Claw hands are a common problem with amateur models. I can share one story that helped me.

I hosted a Japanese exchange student. During the year her parents came to visit. Her mother brought a kimono, so we did some studio sessions. In post processing I noticed how the daughters hands were often claws, but Mom's hands were perfect.

While reviewing pics with them I mentioned this. After much translation (Mom didn't sepak much English), I learned that Mom had spent a year in "Kimomo" training, 10 hours week. How to wear a Kimono, how to dress others in a Kimono (it takes two), how to sit, stand, kneel, walk in a Kimono.

Mom said two full sessions were spent on hands. Where they belong in each position, how they should be formed, how to hold a fan, etc. She was very proud that I had noticed the difference. She said to practice they held thin straws or reeds between thumb and fingers, very lightly.

Since then I've tried the trick a few times with girls that had claw hands, and it worked very well. I used a simple toothpick. It's impossible to claw grip a toothpick. After a minute of practice I could take the toothpick away and tell the girl to use her imagination.

Can't help with knees. Not a problem in a Kimono.
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:37 AM
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Re: Knees and Hands

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Hi and welcome to the forum

In truth a picture says a thousand words...
Good Hands / Bad Knees (Attached Image)



It may also help to explain your skill level(ish) so that folks can give appropriate advice.
I'm a fashion + beauty photographer and about six years into my career.

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Claw hands are a common problem with amateur models. I can share one story that helped me.

I hosted a Japanese exchange student. During the year her parents came to visit. Her mother brought a kimono, so we did some studio sessions. In post processing I noticed how the daughters hands were often claws, but Mom's hands were perfect.

While reviewing pics with them I mentioned this. After much translation (Mom didn't sepak much English), I learned that Mom had spent a year in "Kimomo" training, 10 hours week. How to wear a Kimono, how to dress others in a Kimono (it takes two), how to sit, stand, kneel, walk in a Kimono.

Mom said two full sessions were spent on hands. Where they belong in each position, how they should be formed, how to hold a fan, etc. She was very proud that I had noticed the difference. She said to practice they held thin straws or reeds between thumb and fingers, very lightly.

Since then I've tried the trick a few times with girls that had claw hands, and it worked very well. I used a simple toothpick. It's impossible to claw grip a toothpick. After a minute of practice I could take the toothpick away and tell the girl to use her imagination.

Can't help with knees. Not a problem in a Kimono.
Hi Redcrown, really appreciate this illustration, I have been thinking of the issue of you have good or you have bad, not as a posing problem.
Because I work primarily with Agency models I have been Ass U Me ing that this type of thing would be covered. Alas, looks like I will need to add the hand coaching into what I do.

Now back to the original question; with knees or hands is there any examples out there of what an "ideal" is? With hair you have Tresseme/L'Oreal ads to reference. With Skin you can go complete barbie/plastic or stick to a James Houston / Russell James type of skin. Etc.

Thoughts?

My work can be found at www.donneashlock.com or www.facebook.com/donne.ashlock.photography for more skill reference.

Ciao y feliz sabado!

Donne
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Old 09-01-2012, 09:42 AM
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Re: Knees and Hands

James Houston: www.houstonphoto.com/body

Russell James: http://www.studiorusselljames.com/main.html#/home/
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:51 AM
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Re: Knees and Hands

Hi Donne,

If you're interested in how hands and knees could look after retouching, it might be a fascinating exercise to post some crops of the offending pieces of anatomy and let the retouchers here get their claws, sorry, hands on them.

Alastair

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