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How to edit images like that?

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Old 02-26-2014, 10:20 AM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

IREN; Sorry to be negative but since you ask; Replying to your original post, yes images do come out of the camera like that. Your original images are under exposed and the white balance is off. Question for you: Is the boy's coat black or brown? If black, then the retouched image is not correct. Did you have to change color to 'correct' the image or did you change the color to make the image more to your liking? If the latter, then that is a subjective decision that only you can make.
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Old 02-26-2014, 01:15 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

The coat is black, but I tweaked it separately to be a warmer colour as I don't like having pure black in my images. But that is irrelevant as everyone creates a look they're after. Many wedding images have tinted haze, some use blue, some pink or other which results in tinted blacks/whites etc. That's just an artistic edit.

I underexpose my images on purpose, but that's irrelevant as well, as can be fixed easily. White balance is how I like, I aim to achieve a cooler look to start with and work from there.

When shooting again a light source (i.e. the sun), images turn out hazy and underexposed, but that's not a problem.

The question is not whether or not the original image was edited, it was 'how' because it was edited. Any wedding photographer shoot edit their images, as unedited looks unfinished unless you're shooting film like Jose Villa (he only adds some contrast and saturation to his images after they've been scanned, but the fact remains the same - he processes his images as that's what all photographers do or should do).

Also most successful wedding photographers outsource their editing and I know some companies who do that and how they do it. But to me it was when I wanted to learn and figure out for myself in order to have a better understanding. Occasionally I would get perfect result in camera, but it was still lacking that punch and once edited, it looked so much better - it looked finished.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:48 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

Well, I see that to you, constructive criticism is 'irrelevant.' If you wish to change the color of a clients clothes, or shoot badly exposed images that is your choice. I've been a photographer for probably longer than you (and possibly, your parents) have been alive. I started when I was 15 back in the mid-fifties. I've been retired now for almost a decade but I still know good photography from the new generation of spray and pray and CORRECT in photoshop.

Creating a certain look to your photographs starts out with getting a GOOD image SOOC. Underexposure is not irrelevant! Bad white balance is not irrelevant! Unless that is the look you are going for. However, you would not then have to 'fix' them later as you mention on your site ("Every image in today’s digital photography world can benefit from being processed to some extent, even if it’s just as basic as fixing white balance and adjusting exposure, brightness and contrast in either Lightroom or Photoshop.")

So have fun and I hope you have success.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:59 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

I have to concur with Hinson: getting it right (or as close to it) in the camera is paramount. What you do to the image in post-processing becomes relevant only to the style you with to portray.
Personally, any deviation beyond the basic touch-ups on WB, exposure, brightness and contrast becomes artistic expression done "posthumously".
I shot 120 and 220 rollifilm for a few years, as well as standard 35mm film into the late '90s - you had to get the shot right or it was a scrap and do-over. That still applies today with our multi-megapixel DSLR's.
It is the artist's eye for framing, anticipating the light and shadow, and knowing when to snap the shot that, to me, makes the photographer...
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Old 02-26-2014, 03:30 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

Haha... Sorry to sound rude, but the 'years of experience in photography' doesn't prove you're good at it. I might just start couple of years ago, but I progressed much more than my fellow photographers that were on photography course with me and had 'many years of experience'. That's just funny. Their work hasn't changed after this course, but to me it was a great start. The ability to learn fast, in my opinion, is far better than making the same mistakes and over and over again and not learning anything all those years. All you have just a number, nothing else.

For your knowledge I underexpose in order to preserve highlights in the first place and lighten and brighten underexposed areas afterwards. Second, the so called 'right white balance' is just a guidance, not a rule. I love cooler images and that's my preference, I further tone down yeallows in greens in post, not just 'fixing' an image, but adding a creative flare. Editing for me is not a fix like most people - non photographers - think. But when it comes from a photographer, it's very sad. Lightroom, Photoshop and other software are just tools to add your stamp on images and make them your own, unique, recognisable, different, whatever....

Most than anything I would like to just take a picture and be happy with it, I don't want to spend all my life editing, but for now it's not happening as I don't get the images I want (with cooler greenery, nicer skin tones and texture, warmer trees or certain other areas of the image) in camera. On the other hand, I enjoy editing process and that's my choice.
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Old 02-26-2014, 04:50 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

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...Creating a certain look to your photographs starts out with getting a GOOD image SOOC. Underexposure is not irrelevant! Bad white balance is not irrelevant! Unless that is the look you are going for. However, you would not then have to 'fix' them later as you mention on your site ("Every image in today’s digital photography world can benefit from being processed to some extent, even if it’s just as basic as fixing white balance and adjusting exposure, brightness and contrast in either Lightroom or Photoshop.")
+1. You would do well to heed this and other good advice and opinion offered in this thread.

Basic photography 101.

As to having to resort to 30 layers on the image you posted sounds to be massive overkill for something that could probably be done in 2 or 3. If you do want to learn something then perhaps post a screenshot of your layer stack and explain what you actually felt you needed to do
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Old 02-26-2014, 05:48 PM
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Re: How to edit images like that?

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+1. You would do well to heed this and other good advice and opinion offered in this thread.

Basic photography 101.

As to having to resort to 30 layers on the image you posted sounds to be massive overkill for something that could probably be done in 2 or 3. If you do want to learn something then perhaps post a screenshot of your layer stack and explain what you actually felt you needed to do
Some of these guys shoot on limited budget, and the weather doesn't always cooperate in terms of delivering very workable lighting. I don't see a problem with a large layer stack. You can keep things labeled and use masks. What I respect about it is that the person knows what to change to obtain the desired balance between elements. I can't say how many layers I would use, because I'm not sure here. One obviously looks warmer than the other, but layers can appear to affect different areas in different ways. You have natural differences in casts where light is brighter or darker due to the ratio between the brightest sources and highly diffused bounces of completely different color.
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