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Old 11-29-2012, 08:05 PM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

I don't know about porn retouching and don't want to, so I'll leave that to the experts on that topic :| But I do know smearing talented people's reputations and pasts whom when we don't even know their life history is not good form -- at all.

If we have proof, produce it. If we don't, then smearing someone else's reputation doesn't make our assertions about them valid or true. Lots of people use skin blurring -- it's hands-down the most common retouching technique I personally see in photographs of people. That doesn't mean they all have shady pasts. Please.

But again, if there is proof, produce it. Otherwise it's just negative speculation, and that's not helpful to anyone. Here or elsewhere.

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Old 11-29-2012, 08:12 PM
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Hey, nothing wrong with making a little money off of porn, if that's what you mean. And, hell, Kim on the chair ain't far off, if you know what I mean. Some of the other pictures aren't too discreet, either. But, the retouching is just, well, cheesy, and not very good. Sorry.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:17 PM
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I beg to differ regarding making money off porn. And it's very bad form to associate someone with that type of activity unless we know that from a reliable source.

I do agree about Kim on the chair. But I've yet to see a discreet swimsuit calendar, either. Or a low-rider girl on a car on a magazine cover. There a lot of things I see on the edge that don't actually cross over.

If you feel the retouching is cheesy and not very good, that's fine to say. If you know it wouldn't make a high-end magazine ad, not a problem saying that, either. But let's not smear the dude.

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Old 11-30-2012, 04:19 AM
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I agree that we shouldn't tarnish the character of the gentleman in question. That wouldn't be sporting. What we should do however, is remain objective about his work.

Ostensibly, this is a forum for high-end retouchers and aspiring high-end retouchers. Generally I think we can agree that we'd like our work to be in Vogue Italia rather than Knockers Magazine. For that reason it's clear why work of Nick's sort is somewhat frowned upon here as not being the right stuff.

I would liken it to the difference between Burger King and a Michelin star restaurant.

The former has infiitely more customers, makes much more money and appeals to a wider audience (who might be called undiscerning) - but you cannot then say that Burger King is superior or worthy based upon its success alone.

A lifetime's work retouching the Kardashians et-al is indeed a congratulatory niche to get into, and well done to the chap for commodifying retouching to that end.

What is it not however, is a Mario Testino or Sølve Sundsbø vogue cover. And anyone who aspires to retouch at a high level should stay as far away from the "slickforce" technique as possible, because you don't make world class Filet Mignon by flipping burgers.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:46 AM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

Fair enough. Although using your parlance I'd say "a nice family-style restaurant chain like PF Chang's (here in the US)" rather than saying Burger King. I honestly don't believe it's that bad.

Not Natalia Taffarel by any means, but also not Burger King. Nick does better retouching than a lot of the PPA Loan Collection retouching I've seen, but maybe PPA-caliber retouching is another sore spot for you high-end folks Couldn't blame you one bit if it is, I'm not a fan of it at all. But it does the job for high-volume, low staff-count work like weddings and portrait sessions, even high-end sessions. And the customers aren't Shiseido ad editors.

The main reasons I bought Nick's CDs were:

1. they were $99. I never did feel comfortable paying $199+ for them, especially because I already have Natalia's, Vitaly's CDs and Jane Connor-Ziser's CDs plus Gry Garness' downloads.

2. One thing that caught my attention, esp. at that price point, was learning from PhotoWhoa's interview that Nick got his start photographing ethnic (ie. non-Euro, everyone is 'ethnic') subjects. I'm sure there is something of value for those subject in his materials. Once you have a reasonable grasp of high-end retouching principles it's easier to pick through other materials for the things of value. And I'm sure there are some.

Plus the guy is a great photographer, he really is. His images have a cool look (except the Kim in the chair one). So I'm hoping there are some good useful photo techniques - and retouching techniques - that I can pick up as well. We'll see.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:58 AM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

Hi,

Here's a new thread I just ran across regarding Steve Meisel:

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/pho...en-meisel.html

To be honest with you, I don't think Steve's retouching is any better than Nick's. Yet Steve has never gotten the caustic evaluation of his work on this forum that Nick is getting in this thread. And Steve's retoucher doesn't even have the color balance right in the right-hand photo. So it seems that Steve is part of "the club" here and Nick is not. That's the biggest difference I'm seeing between the two, truthfully. At least in this case.

I think that sort of thing speaks as loudly as any of the comments about Nick posted here.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:01 AM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

I had an awfully bad lunch at P.F. Changs a few weeks ago. I couldn't finish it.Burger King would have been better. I think. Never eat the stuff.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:34 AM
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I had an awfully bad lunch at P.F. Changs a few weeks ago. I couldn't finish it.Burger King would have been better. I think. Never eat the stuff.
Ok. Fair enough.... The one out near us is pretty good Also, good point, Burger King's not the worst we can do food-wise, not by a long shot..... So in that case I'd pick some restaurant better than Burger King but not a Michelin Star as a comparison here........
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:24 PM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

Robert..you have several of the good DVD's ...tell me what you've learned (PLEASE) from Nick's DVD's that is worth $100. Did you really learn the "top industry secrets". I've bought many DVD's as well...I hate wasting money When Nick first entered the scene he was thinking about charging $500 for this sent then he finally settled around $300...with some really nice packaging. $300 ...you've got to be kidding..and I'm sure there were many out there who paid this price. I guess it was the price to pay to be a "black belt master retoucher".
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:25 PM
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Re: Interview with Nick Saglimbeni

Benny knows what he talks about
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