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Old 01-17-2013, 07:18 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

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Re: Trade secrets.

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It's now the de facto advice for any skin problem posted it seems.
Do I detect a hint of condescension there?!

There has always been some bizarre war fought over whether frequency separation was infact some unholy amateur technique, and that perhaps Dodge & Burn was the only true way for purists.

Personaly I believe both are wholly appropriate pixelpushing tools.

Dodge & Burn is absolutely my preferred method for fine control. But if a retoucher isn't employing frequency separation to at least some degree (or won't touch it on principal) then quite frankly they're an idiot - wasting not only their own time, but the clients' money too.

To plug this back into the context of the thread, another item on the infinite list of imaginary trade secrets would be: always dodge & burn, but also know when to frequency separate.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:43 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

So, again, what's up with this frequency separate thing, since I can't access soft core.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:00 PM
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Re: Trade secrets.

I gave frequency separation a shot once when I had a few hours to kill just to see what all the hubbub was about, and I think it's a fantastic way to make an image way more complicated than it ever needs to be. I'd rather not turn the image I'm working on into a math problem, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

Benny, here's kind of the basic rundown of the technique:
"1.) Start with two copies of the image to be separated.
2.) Working on the bottom copy, run the gaussian blur filter at the intended pixel frequency (same as you would input into the HP filter).
3.) Selecting the top copy, choose Apply Image from the Image menu at top (Shift+Ctrl+A on PC; Cmd+Shift+A for Mac).
4.) In the Layer dialog, select the bottom layer which you blurred in step 2.
5.) In the Blending dialog, choose Subtract.
6.) Enter '2' into the Scale box, and '128' for the Offset.
7.) Preserve Transparency, Mask, and Invert should not be checked.
8.) Choose OK.
9.) Your top layer will now look much as a HP result, albeit a bit flatter. Set the Blend Mode to Linear Light. Opacity should remain at 100%."
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:58 PM
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Re: Trade secrets.

Thank you. I'll check it out tomorrow. Sounds like a lot of ...... numbers.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:50 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

Well, that's.........interesting, I guess. Why should I use that, again? Or, for what?
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:56 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

At its most basic, frequency separation is a technique that allows you to access and modify the underlying smoothness and tone of the skin, without touching the fine structure and detail of the pores.

In other words, it's a method of temporarily isolating the top layers of skin whilst still being able to work on the ones underneath. Used correctly it can vastly streamline the process of evening skin tones in the early stages of cleanup.

I would say that Frequency Separation and Dodge & Burn together form the twin pillars that are the foundation of skinwork. You'll need to know both. One without the other is half an army.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:08 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

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Do I detect a hint of condescension there?!
Heh, more frustration than condescension I'd like to think. As per my OP this thread was born out of my confusion/question whether people are more likely to accept advice if it's complicated. I have no animosity toward any technique, and I'm well aware there's more than one way to accomplish a given task. I like to do things one way, some of my colleagues prefer another, but our files are always consistent and our clients (hopefully ) always happy at the end of the day.

Freq Sep is just a good example as like I said earlier, it's too complicated to stumble upon accidentally, so fills the prerequisites for an insider secret. I'd certainly never refuse to use anything out of principle. Without being open to new techniques I'd never have learnt as much as I have. I'd say getting good at D&B should always be put before getting good with Freq Sep though.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:26 AM
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Re: Trade secrets.

From a psychological standpoint I agree completely.

When a retoucher cannot achieve a desired result, it means that the method is beyond their range of experience.

Having exhausted their own ideas, they believe that the process might be more complicated than they had imagined. They may therefore be willing to accept that any arbitrarily more complex advice is inherently more valuable - even when false.

More often than not the questions on this board could be answered in terms of a broader and more thorough application of basic skills, than anything complicated.

We were all photoshop newbies once though. And while some might find it utterly trivial to make gradient maps and frequency separations, there are an even greater number who have no idea what a layer mask does.

Whether advice is complicated or not depends upon the experience of the receipient too.
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