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Old 05-09-2013, 01:05 PM
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Pantone Skintones Guide

Hi,

I've been looking into the Pantone Skintones Guide with a view to using it in my digital workflow, but can't seem to find very much actual information on how to integrate it with photoshop. Does anyone on here us this already? Is it worth getting and is it easy to work with inside photoshop?

Many thanks in advance!
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:29 PM
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Re: Pantone Skintones Guide

Just bumping this, as I can literally find nothing about use of this in the real world on the internet. I take it no one here has used it? Or it's THAT good they are keeping quiet :-)
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:17 AM
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Re: Pantone Skintones Guide

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Hi,

I've been looking into the Pantone Skintones Guide with a view to using it in my digital workflow, but can't seem to find very much actual information on how to integrate it with photoshop. Does anyone on here us this already? Is it worth getting and is it easy to work with inside photoshop?

Many thanks in advance!
As far as I see, there is no digital library for use in Photoshop yet.

If there was, it could be used for reference, lets say client tells you he wanted that skintone xy. Or when the photographer would check which pantone skin tone would fit the model, that would give a reference for the retouch.
In real live I do not see much use in creative retouching. There the aim is mostly not to perfectly reproduce the colour that the model had in reality; the camera sensor calibration with tools like colorchecker passport -also x-rite- could provide that if wanted.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:11 AM
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Re: Pantone Skintones Guide

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but maybe this might be helpful.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/htm...lorcharts.html
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:47 AM
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Re: Pantone Skintones Guide

Why do you want skintone's, defined in a CMYK, device dependent color space? Not real useful!
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:02 AM
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Why do you want skintone's, defined in a CMYK, device dependent color space? Not real useful!
Pantone is not only CMYK.

A lot of the colours in Pantone colour library within Photoshop are displayed as Lab and rendered accordingly when applied to a file.

The printed Pantone Color Formula Guide is not based on CMYK, but uses Transparent White, two different yellows, Orange, Warm Red, Red, Rubine Red, Rhodamine Red, Purple, Violet, Blue, Reflex Blue, Process Blue (=Cyan) , Green, Black.

If the 110 skintones are rendered out of scans of real human skin, the library behind a printed library would be as accurate as possible.

The purpose of the whole skintone thing would be to have a reference when
talking about the appearance of a skintone.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:37 AM
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A lot of the colours in Pantone colour library within Photoshop are displayed as Lab and rendered accordingly when applied to a file.
All you need is Lab period and that's in Photoshop, current versions of Lightroom. No library needed, you just need to deal with a reasonable ratio of aStar and bStar using any working space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaFDKrNrwc
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:31 PM
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Re: Pantone Skintones Guide

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Why do you want skintone's, defined in a CMYK, device dependent color space? Not real useful!
I agree that that would be a bad idea, but:

Where did you hear about the Pantone skintones being defined as CMYK?
Maybe you have more insight into the product?

In the description on the product site from x-rite/Pantone it says:
"Compatible with today's digital workflows – colors easily updated in leading design applications"
So there seems to be a Photoshop Pantone Skintone Library coming - most likely in Lab.
So, again, why should it be a bad idea to communicate about Lab-Pantone-Skintones?
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:36 PM
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I don't see where it provides Lab values. I do see you are expected to view under D50 which most profiles assume. There ARE Pantone libraries based on CMYK (some within Photoshop!).

It's a good idea to communicate Skin (any color) using Lab, assuming D50 in several places. Pantone, don't see any reason it would be necessary for this use of Lab. The OP asks:

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I can literally find nothing about use of this in the real world on the internet. I take it no one here has used it? Or it's THAT good they are keeping quiet :-)
I suggest because it's not necessary. Photoshop has a Lab color picker.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:48 PM
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All you need is Lab period and that's in Photoshop, current versions of Lightroom. No library needed, you just need to deal with a reasonable ratio of aStar and bStar using any working space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWaFDKrNrwc
I docosmetic product composits where the silk screen printing on the products is rendered and the color reference the client provides is Pantone. So I use the Lab Pantone+ Colors within Photoshop.

The same would be with the skintones. Maybe you understood the word library not the way I meant it. I meant library as a pool of samples of defined colors.
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