RetouchPRO

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Retouching
Register Blogs FAQ Site Nav Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Photo Retouching "Improving" photos, post-production, correction, etc.

Embossed Glass

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-18-2013, 09:01 PM
Burgess Burgess is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7
Embossed Glass

Hi,

I am working on a beer bottle with a logo that has been supplied to appear embossed on on the glass.

I have looked at the emboss layer effects as well as a displacement map with the glass filter. Both of these yield quite generic results that aren't that satisfactory, certainly not up to snuff. The finals will be billboards so I'm looking for a more in depth and realistic technique...

Any input appreciated

Best

B
Reply With Quote top
  #2  
Old 07-19-2013, 10:29 AM
Tony W's Avatar
Tony W Tony W is offline
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,415
Re: Embossed Glass

Would be best to see an example (or an area) to see why displacement and emboss not working.

Suspect this will not be better but have you 'played' with Filters/Distort/Glass?. Quick example attached - key to getting convincing image is to have a nicely lit bottle to lay the logo file on.

If you want to play with this method make sure that the logo file is sized exactly the same as the bottle and apply any distortions to the logo file first (I did not for this example) i.e. to fit the bottle shape. Then save the logo file as flattened and load as texture when ready in the Distort/Glass filters
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BottleLogo.jpg (109.7 KB, 70 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #3  
Old 07-21-2013, 04:44 AM
Burgess Burgess is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7
Re: Embossed Glass

Hi Tony,

thanks for the reply. Initially I did try glass emboss, as your technique outlines, but it was a little shallow, a little soft and just a little unconvincing.

I ended up hand painting it and it turned out pretty good. As with most of these filter techniques they either don't work that well or need a fair amount of refining.

Sorry I can't post anything, client confidentiality etc but appreciate your input

B
Reply With Quote top
  #4  
Old 07-21-2013, 02:30 PM
Repairman's Avatar
Repairman Repairman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bristol UK
Posts: 683
Re: Embossed Glass

Filters give you a good average but miss out on the finesse. I would start with the logo distorted to match the contours. Make and save a selection. Contract the logo by a few pixels (this depends on the size of the image and the thickness of the logo). Feather 1 or 2 pixels to taste. Using modify, contract the original selection edge to about half the letter width (assuming it's a letterform) and save. Feather the 'inside' edge in pro to the bulge of the logo and consistent with the ambient lighting. You can tweak it further by making intermediary thicknesses for highlights etc. Using curves or any other of the dark/light tools, tweak the sliders to create the subtle tones that suggest volume and curvature. Finish off with some brushed hilite flares if appropriate. Basically it's using light and shade through a series of offset masks.
Reply With Quote top
  #5  
Old 07-21-2013, 05:01 PM
Tony W's Avatar
Tony W Tony W is offline
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,415
Re: Embossed Glass

Quote:
Originally Posted by Repairman View Post
Filters give you a good average but miss out on the finesse.
+1. It is the modifying of the effect that seperates the good (believable!) from the bad.

I would expect to modify maybe with D&B and other methods to produce the desired effect.

The most difficult thing is managing/understanding client expectations if no indications of final effect are given in the first instance. For example, 'We want the logo to look like the Grolsch or Coca Cola bottles' there is at least a standard to work towards.
Reply With Quote top
  #6  
Old 07-21-2013, 08:02 PM
Burgess Burgess is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 7
Re: Embossed Glass

Hi RM,

Pretty much what I did, plus some additional painting of HLs and SHs.
As expected there was no real quick workaround as usual, a bit of elbow grease and thought serves well.

Thanks for your input

B
Reply With Quote top
Reply

  RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Retouching


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Copying glass negs. Bob Walden History, Conservation, and Repair 25 10-14-2013 12:52 PM
Removing print stuck to glass plate negative zea14 History, Conservation, and Repair 5 03-11-2013 07:56 PM
Getting pictures unstuck from glass and each other sfoote49 Photo Restoration 1 09-23-2012 03:29 PM
Photo Burnt to glass hicpics History, Conservation, and Repair 3 01-21-2011 09:11 AM
Glass Negative and Film Size Question ibovnu History, Conservation, and Repair 6 01-20-2011 07:24 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2016 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved