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Old 12-21-2013, 02:54 PM
szeryf1989 szeryf1989 is offline
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Stuck in retouching.

Hi Guys!

I've been retouching for about 5-6 years now with some breaks. I know basics and some advanced techniques. I watched: Natalia Taffarel videos, Art of D&B, Kelby Training and some other stuff that I don't remember now. Is there any interesting videos, tutorials for professional fashion retouching? What I should do to improve my skills?
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:34 PM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

The best way to improve you skills is Practice, Practice and again Practice
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Old 12-21-2013, 08:05 PM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

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The best way to improve you skills is Practice, Practice and again Practice
I disagree, and the OP is looking at the wrong material. Why the hell would anyone need instruction related to the concept of lightening or darkening areas to help blemishes blend into their surroundings? It makes no sense to me. When people swoon over finished work, they are generally unable to see through the various abstractions applied due to their subtlety, and they have to be subtle so that the work doesn't look terrible. There are basically 3 things of importance if you are inexperienced. One is basic foundation skills. These include a real sense of perspective, proportions, and basic color theory. The second is a reasonable level of comfort with the tools. The individual can navigate photoshop and any other software involved. They have at least a comfortable understanding of what various adjustments and blending modes do. They can draw straight or curved lines with a graphics tablet that do not waver or skew. Third they need to understand their subjects. If they're people, it's important to understand their structure. Having some basic understanding of various lighting conditions helps as they are highly contextual.

The advice to just keep doing what you're doing is why so many people plateau. It's too easy to fall into a hypnotic state if that is how you are guided, and it won't translate well to actual jobs where you have some kind of budget and time limit. I can probably think up a good reading list. Videos that instruct people how to burn and dodge are a ridiculous concept and a waste of money, as that has nothing to do with the vision for a given image. It might be interesting if such videos went into real problem solving and indicated how they attempted to find a solution to various requests, but no one I've asked has indicated anything of the sort. If you're going to pay for video content, it should be something that really addresses an inductive method of problem solving in the work. Otherwise it's just a set of muscle memory exercises, and that is ridiculous.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:17 AM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

Thank you for answers. Klev what would you recommend, any videos or books? I think the best way is to watch real time retouching of pro but it is of course impossible... I still can't achieve look of pros like you can see in vouge or similar publications.

Yes it's true that you can watch final result of pro retouched photos but you still don't know HOW:

http://st1le.org/wp-content/uploads/...n_Schuller.jpg
http://www.gosee.de/images/content/s...1_562b79a7.jpg
http://wearesodroee.files.wordpress....13-2014-11.png

Skin looks so brith, clean, nice and it's not too over D&B. Nice contrast, all details are fine and some "pro" look.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:40 AM
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Well, the first one... nose definitely gives it away as the texture is a bit softer then on the cheek for example.

Second one plays with colours a lot, the ground, skirt, glove, skin, stockings and sky are cooler, yellow details in the clothing are warmer, and soem of that is applied to hair, and the gate looks coloured a bit, too.

Third one has all the busts DNBed to look perfect, and the dresses are all coloured individually. Lots of dnb with channel selected on the garments to give them contrast. Could also be selective colour adjustments.

Basically, I can say form my experience as I was lost often, too.

You do this:

Make sure the exposure is right in conversion, and that you don't clip anything if it badly affects other areas(in that case you might want to do a couple of conversions).

Now, remove all the distractions.

Once it's clean, you'll notice that colour is off in some areas. You make them blend.

Now, you'll notice that it's flat in some areas. You add contrast using DNB, contrast adjustments...

Once that is done, you go on top, select the areas you want to contrast by colour, and apply your colour palette.

So texture>lighting>color.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:09 AM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

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Hi Guys!

I've been retouching for about 5-6 years now with some breaks. I know basics and some advanced techniques. I watched: Natalia Taffarel videos, Art of D&B, Kelby Training and some other stuff that I don't remember now. Is there any interesting videos, tutorials for professional fashion retouching? What I should do to improve my skills?
If you have access to Lynda, I recommend these tutorials by Timothy Sexton:

http://www.lynda.com/Timothy-Sexton/1131948-1.html

He's a senior retoucher at Gloss Studios here in NYC, an honest to god working fashion retoucher.
I've picked up some great tips from watching these, and I've been at it professionally for a while now. Retouching is a career-long learning process.

As far as your examples go, do not discount that the photography,styling, and casting were great to begin with. From my experience, working from the raw images of more established photographers shows that they simply do their jobs better than more up and coming or amateur photographers.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:19 PM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

Tim Sexton is the real deal! I second that... I have personally worked with him.
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Old 12-24-2013, 03:36 AM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

Hi there szeryf1989, So far i've worked for a creative agency and a few jewelry companies and fashion people and i was suprised by some of the stuff they did to achieve the end result...something I wouldnt do but the client cant tell the difference and they dont care how its made, they just wanted the end result. I am relatively new to the retouching side of things and i find myself always looking up new ways of doing things, or just new techniques in general for retouching. Ive watched so many videos, read a quite a few handful of tutorials online and ive come to realize some techniques are good to get things done quicker and fake things such as texture. Others are meant to keep things more natural. The best one ( IMO ) is frequency seperation. Theres programs that can help with these kinda things. I use portraiture for my LF but havent found anything for HF yet. Im speaking in the sense of speeding things up with best results possible.

The best tutorial ive come across, as far as keeping natural skin details and smooth color blemishes, is in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJycRWd13vo

its quite long but the guy does a good explanation. The reason i brought it up is bc when i viewed the first link u posted i felt as if there was skin textured that seemed fake ( i might be wrong ). It seemed like it around the nose (by the shadows ), in the forehead ( spotty areas ) and the bottom left side of the chin. Seems to me they used 50% grey, add noise and embossed it a bit with opacity on low or masked it out a bit to smooth things out. seems like it.

As far as improving ur skills go, I think the best thing is to find ways to do things accurately and fast as hell. Some people would not honestly care if you spend 3 hours doing something that can be achieved in 5 mins using a software, plug-in or downloaded action scripts. They just want the end result. I know of someone that can edit over 100 images for a lookbook in under an hour, yet it takes me a bit longer than i anticipated to do the same thing. The reason is, they have done it so much that they just dont care about perfections. The final look result is the same to the client. I guess what im trying to say is, achieve what the client 'wants' vs 'technicalities' in the image. The less work u put on urself and the faster u can get those results that the clients 'wants' to see in his final image, the better it will make u look. Also dont forget that the less u spend in retouching the more u enjoy life in general. Life's too short to spend it working all the time.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:13 AM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

I don't advise portraiture or splits for most retouching especially hi end. I like the split for wrinkles in clothes I have used it for that. f.y.i. the skin on that video looks plastic a sure fire way not to get hired. Just from the sound of the video he is concerned with short cuts and he hasn't gone past that.
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Old 12-24-2013, 03:05 PM
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Re: Stuck in retouching.

well ive used the same technique but haven't gone that extreme to erase the lines. I like to keep my images good on their pores and portraiture helps gets LF done faster as for HF i use high pass on linear light and then use either a low opacity or mask in/out certain areas on the high pass layer.
I see nothing wrong with splits and i think in the end it comes down to how far the retoucher takes it. Like i said earlier clients would care less how long it takes u to do something, all they care are about is the end results. Give the client what they asked and do it fast, accurately and with less time as possible.
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