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How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

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Old 04-20-2015, 03:54 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

Is there an ignore feature here? Christ, you irritate me.
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Christ, you irritate me.
That's good to hear. Yes, having to eat your own words isn't always tasty.
And I did say 'perhaps'. I guess we both know the answer now...
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Is there an ignore feature here? Christ, you irritate me.
Although I discourage its use, yes there is, in your User CP.

He used to irritate me as well, until I begrudgingly figured out he was usually right.

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Old 04-20-2015, 04:50 PM
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No, he isn't.

You're on ignore dude. Goodbye.
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Old 04-21-2015, 05:40 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

Skoobey, I believe it is about the way people think that everything is just easy when you don't know nothing about it. Let's say it's like playing soccer. It's just kicking a ball... until you see that the ball doesn't go where you want it to go.
Then people tend to assume there's a secret to make it work. Then they search for it. And they will find people who are willing to teach it. And then it doesn't work again.

People who know how to do something really good know that the secret is usually hard work and alot of "multidisciplinar" knowledge. But people who don't, think it's just pushing a button or two to get there without having to know why do you push it instead of how.

And about the bad teachers, I believe it's just what jkiller said.
Here in Brasil (specifically São Paulo) there are a few photo schools. Their price is pretty salty for a class. In one of those, I worked as a photo assist for a couple of days, just to see that there's no interest in teaching others then making money with it. None of the teachers had a well paid photography career. Most of then just couldn't make money with photography and turned to teaching to pay the bills. I don't know how many people try to make money as photographers in other countries, but here in Brasil there is a huge amount of people buying cameras and trying to make it and those teachers just pray on those who think there is a secret to make it.
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Old 04-23-2015, 10:40 AM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

All good points, but I am still puzzled with the motive of those that are learning. What are you to gain by being told lies?

Aladdin maybe understood best what I am asking about. People like to believe there is a certain magic about celebrities, about religion, about everything, so why not retouching, but noone is teaching the art, as that is something that takes long time to perfect; it is the technical aspect that is being taught.

Both good and bad advice is asking of you to dedicate some time towards learning the tools, so why would you choose to learn something that is obviously not working? I mean, everyone shows before and afters for every technique. At the same time, everyone wants results that reflect those of the world's best. So, a person that is learning rationalizes something along the lines:
"Hey, look, this looks really really bad, I'd hate for my images to look like that. So, let me learn this crappy way that I don't like."
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"I really like what this teacher is doing, so I'm just going to ignore their advice."

I just don't get it?
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