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How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

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Old 04-18-2015, 07:26 PM
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What I find that many newcomers to the world of retouching (primarily photographers) already acquire some "knowledge" and habits from around the web, and then start asking questions. I can't help but notice so many questions are being asked over and over again, and the reason being that people think there is a secret that noone is letting out. When then find out that there is no secret, many think that learning everything all over again is just too much, so they go back to their routine, which is not resulting in any artistic progress.
Maybe this is because the first thing they learned was so wrong, and now the re-learning is an additional effort, especially after investing time to learn the wrong way in the first place.
If you want to have the same results as the best in any profession, you simply have to work just as hard as they do, that is obvious, but how is it that so many are gravitating towards the "bad" teachings when they are starting out? Wouldn't it just be easier to go forward instead of zig zagging?
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Old 04-18-2015, 07:36 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

Should I learn LUTs?
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Old 04-18-2015, 07:52 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

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Should I learn LUTs?
You should learn what they are. That’s a good start.
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:09 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

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Should I learn LUTs?
If someone is starting out today and wants to go that route, I would suggest an entire list of things that are merely tangential, because you might end up going in one of several directions careerwise. LUTs are often used in color correcting video as an alternative to embedding ICC profiles. Depending on the package you can often specify a different input LUT for any piece of source data as well as additional one for viewing. You typically don't save the data itself into the working space. Rather the numbers for that specific file aren't altered, only the layers or nodes (nodes > layers) that are created for it.
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Old 04-18-2015, 08:14 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

Yeah, the problem for these people (and I was one of them) is that they start by learning things like LUTs. It's just a tool, if you don't know what you want your image to look like in the end, it'll get you nowhere.
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Old 04-18-2015, 09:28 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

There was recently a discussion among pros on Linkedin about whether or not one should be concerned about working on an elaborate file with obvious issues as it's handed off to you in a studio environment, enough to point it out to the manager. I advised, keep your mouth shut, head down, and do your magic on that version. But, you know, if I was in a pro studio and was handed a file with LUTs used for cc, I would avoid my own advise and shout, wtf is this?
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Old 04-18-2015, 09:58 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

The majority of imaging media is built around promoting the "secret recipes" notion. It sucks, but it's their business model. "Buy my book/video to learn the one weird trick that's keeping you off the cover of Vogue". I suspect that's one (of many) reasons my videos never set the industry afire as I always went out of my way to try and put the lie to that myth. But many industries (diets, resumes, SEO, herbal supplements, religion, etc.) are based around the fact that people want there to be a secret.

People want the voodoo. Because if there is a secret trick then it doesn't come down to talent and practice.
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Old 04-18-2015, 10:06 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

Works best in diet scams and now these magic braces they advertise on TV for the knees and elbows. Nobody wants to face a reality that most problems are solved head on with diligence and concentrated application of skills. Or that they should exercise and stop eating so much.
I recently was talking to an amateur who owned an expensive Canon top of the line DSLR, whatever that is these days, and told me he can't be bothered working with raw images. Really. All that money, and he lets a tiny computer in a camera decide what he is going to get in the end, all the while compressing and degrading it. But, that's easy, right? It's like magic! Push button.
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:29 PM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

People are lazy, people want instant gratification and instant results.

@skoobey: The beauty of zig zagging is this, The end is always near and short hub away.....till you reach the end and find, the hard way, that there is another road to travel.

Why should I learn every tool Photoshop has to offer if there is a "secret" button to click that dose everything for me?
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Old 04-20-2015, 03:00 AM
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Re: How did we get here? So many bad "teachers"...

I think it's pretty simple. The idea that there are no secrets, no push button magic for a "vogue look" (I love that term) and you need to just doodle on the d&b layers, whatever you use, for an hour or two or three and then a few simple targeted curves, and a few more, no magic... it's just to big to grasp for most of the people. How could that be? They surely have something up their sleeve.

Second, retouching is a pretty secretive business. Show me three people making valuable tutorials showing a real agency workflow and common best practices. And I mean real life setup and flow. People really do believe there are magic tools and CSI-style breakdowns going on these magazine shots.
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