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Old 06-04-2005, 03:46 PM
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Kinda freaky...

To see that my daughters photo and one of her best friends photos made it on to this forum more than a year before I found this place. I realize this thread is a bit old, but if the OP is still around, would you mind telling me how you went about obtaining the photo of my daughter? (She's the one in blue with the braids and her friend is the smaller photo in white on the right side)
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Old 06-04-2005, 05:30 PM
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'punkydoodlebug' - I presume you have entered your daughter in these paegent things? If you look at the profile of the OP, you will see they have listed themselves as:

Birthday:
June 23, 1974
Location:
Mississippi;USA
Interests:
pageant photography
Occupation:
home maker; part time photographer

They have not posted here for over a year and a half, so I would not expect a reply from them directly (though they do have a yahoo IM account listed)

I presume this is either someone you have employed to photograph your daughter, or someone who has been involved in peagents you have entered and has used your daughters photo to practice on.

I am curious to know what your concern is, as entering your daughter in such an event seems to suggest you would want such attention?

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Old 06-04-2005, 06:39 PM
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Hi actually, no I do not know this person or why they would have a photo of my daughter other than they may have taken it without my permission from somewhere. Problem is I don't know where, yes I do enter my daughter in pageants, however I have never used that particular photo anywhere. The only person who should have had access to it was me, and the person who retouched that particular photo, which was not the OP. I was just curious as to how she obtained the photo since to the best of my knowledge the retoucher never used it on her website either.

And no, we don't enter pageants for attention, we enter them because that is what my daughter loves to do.

Thank you for telling me about the profiles though, I'm new to this board and don't know how to work it yet. As you will notice I think this is only my 3rd post here.
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Old 06-04-2005, 06:43 PM
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To Caitlyn

First of all your comments are extremely rude. My daughters photo was found here today. I emailed the woman who said she is a pageant photographer and asked her where she got my daughters photo and why she thought she had the right to post it on this forum. My friend brought this site and the use of both our daughters photos to my attention this morning.

I am a hair and makeup artist and work very closely with many pageant photographers and modeling photographers and I can say in my over 20 years of experience in the pageant world that I have not ever come across this "photographer."

Yes both Punkydoodlebugs daughters as well as mine compete in pageants. However, their photos are not given to complete strangers for their own personal use. I find that appalling. I also find your comments to Punkydoodlebug insulting. If you are not educated in the hobby someone chooses then you should keep your comments to yourself.
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Old 06-04-2005, 06:59 PM
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Maybe I completely missed the point in this polite thread, but...

Isn't a pageant something like "take a little girl, slap some coat of makeup on her face and let her walk down a catwalk in the hope of some people admiring her and her mother? Sorry for the open opinion, but I guess there are dozens of people taking photographs and I have never seen anybody yelling "NO! Do not photograph my kid!" Or am I completely wrong?

Besides that, I thought Kris wanted to PAINT some girls faces and just used the photo as a template, so what is so bad about that?

Just curios....

Patrick

PS: As the above only states my own personal opinion I cannot resist to remind you of one very important thing: This is a photo retouch forum for photo retouchers and those people seeking help! Hence, we should not accuse users like kris for asking questions before she could at least make a statement on why she took that photo but rather assume the reasons are to improve her work. And isn't that what we all want?
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:02 PM
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This woman TOOK my daughters photograph from somewhere. She did not have permission, it was not listed anywhere publically and therefore that means she STOLE it. Where did she get it? That is the point here. She took the photograph from me without permission. She is not the photographer that took the photograph, that is the point!
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:14 PM
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I'm not complaining that the photo is here, I just wanted to know where she obtained it so that I can have it taken down from whereever it is so that it doesn't get taken again. It's fine that she used it as an example of what she is trying to do, I understand that. I myself came to this forum to learn photo retouching and I am finding this place to be quite informative.

My only concern is that she was able to obtain this photo from some source that I do not know about, how many other people have also obtained it and are doing who knows what with it. Its a copyrighted photo of my child and the only 3 people that should have had a copy of it were myself, the retoucher and the photographer that took the photo whom I know does not have a website. Obviously the OP is no longer on these forums so I will not be able to find out.
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:25 PM
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I completely understand both of you. But nonetheless this should not become a bashing against one single forum member, do you agree?

Justgeorgi, do you have any evidence that kris stole the picture? I myself get my pictures from many websites, maybe you have seen the thread about bad photos and where to get them to practice? Maybe some other person published this photo somewhere and kris just took it?

I guess we'd better all calm down and clear this via PM, maybe Kris can help you to find the person who published this picture?

Patrick
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:36 PM
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Patrick/Copyrighted photos

Patrick,

First of all these are COPYRIGHTED photographs taken by PROFESSIONAL photographers. They are not public property. You, the original poster and the neighbors cannot just "take" them and do what you want with them. They were never made public to anyone. In fact the one of my daughter was a photograph I have ever particularly cared for and therefore never used anywhere. I don't know how this woman got the photograph in the first place. Its 3 years old for goodness sakes. I don't want strangers (especially those with uneducated views about my personal hobbies) playing around with my childrens photographs!
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Old 06-04-2005, 07:51 PM
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Georgi - you might want to calm down a little and not start making accusations unnecessarily. No matter what the original poster may or may not have done, there is no need to start making aspersions against other members here, who are simply trying to help you.

You say you have emailed Kris - have you received a reply from her yet? How long ago did you email? I have to say that if you emailed her in a similar tone I will not be surprised if she does not reply. You will find you get better results if you do not start attacking in the first instance. There may well be a reasonable explanation (as punky has suggested) for why Kris has your daughters photo. I do not think it is likely her intentions were ill - given that this is a private forum that requires membership to view images she certainly is not flaunting them.

BTW - Thank you Punky for clarifying your concern that your daughters image might have been posted on another site for free-for-all download - I can understand why that could be concerning to you.
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