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Old 01-08-2004, 02:23 PM
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Unhappy dull retouching outcome

Hi everyone. I've done a lot of learning from this forum. Thanks to all of you. I've got a new question. Can anyone tell me how to improve my face painting? Everytime I do it; it turns out dull or what I call BLAH! Does anyone have any pointers. I'll attach one of mine that I did and another that shows what I'm aiming for.
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Old 01-08-2004, 02:32 PM
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Question DULL RETOUCHING

ON THE SAMPLE I POSTED I ACTUALLY CHANGED IT A LITTLE. I ADJUSTED THE LEVELS A LITTLE. HERE IS THE ANOTHER ONE I'VE DONE THAT NEEDS SOMETHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT. IF ANY OF YALL KNOW THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW. MAYBE IT JUST NEEDS THE COLOR BALANCE ADJUSTED?.. I DON'T KNOW.
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:15 PM
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Kris, hopefully Vikki or Mig or one of the other folks here who are especially good at this will see your question.

Here's my $.02 worth -- you have some redder color on the cheeks, but when I checked the skin color elsewhere, it seemed to be almost the same all over. You need to vary the tones a bit, as you did on the cheeks. What Layer Blending modes did you use -- Color or Soft Light or ...? The blending mode can have a strong influence on the look of your skin tones. Did you use several or more layers - you can apply shading to cheeks, jawline, etc. - each on separate layers, and other layers with the forehead, nose, etc. to allow you to vary shading, skin tone, layer blend mode... You can apply different adjustment layers to different layers - dodge a bit here, burn a bit there, change hue/saturation there. Perhaps you have already done some of that, but I THINK you need to do more.

Here are some links to RetouchPRO posts which relate to painting skin tones -- there are others if you look...

Skin tone tip - Vikki
Borrow skin tones
skin tones
Doug- facial colorization
color charts
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:57 PM
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I've made some slight changes to your image -- adding layers of different hues -- red on the nose -- even some light grayish-blue below the eyes (which surprised me when it looked okay to me!) Others can do better, but this may give you an idea of how different colors can shape a face... it's something I need to practice on some time soon.
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Old 01-08-2004, 06:38 PM
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RETOUCHING....

Thanks CJ... I did have several layers and I used several blending modes, but I do agree with ya on doing even more. I saw the sample and I really need to play with them a lot more also. I did not use the dodge or burn tool. Maybe that is what it is missing. Might bring out more of those pretty features. I'll surely try that next. Thanks again for your advice. Oh also for the other links. I haven't checked them out yet, but I'm headed straight there.
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Old 01-08-2004, 09:14 PM
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Hi Kris,

Your stuff looks nice. I have to say I'm not a fan of this type of thing. But that's just me. Still, you're doing well at it.
There are a couple things that you might want to explore to make things look a little better. The skin doesn't have enough contrast. In the sample here I looked at the channels and found the blue channel had the best contrast, so I copied it, applied some very steep, jagged curves to arrive at something that could be used as a selection to increase the contrast in the face. I also painted on this copied blue channel.
Then I activated this channel as a selection and applied curves, and selective colour, inversed the selection and did the same thing. That increased the contrast in the skin.
Next, there's no grain in the skin whatsoever, so you might want to add some to give some texture, as the skin is too flat-looking. You can do that by selecting the skin, filling the selection on a new layer with 50% gray, adding noise to this, then changing the blend mode to soft light.

These steps might add some realism to your work.
Good luck,
Mig
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Old 01-08-2004, 09:17 PM
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Here's what the copied blue channel might look like after you've manipulated it. This blue channel is the one that would be used as a selection to get more interest in the face.
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Old 01-09-2004, 10:47 AM
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Thumbs down dull retouching

WOW, that did make a big difference. I deffinately need to look into this. Thanks so much. I really don't like making these kids look fake either, but that is my business. I'm a pageant photographer and I'm trying to do my own touch up work so I don't have to send all mine off. And also it would be more rewarding in the long run. $$$$$ LOL Anyway, in this business they can have no blemishes, very light wrinkles and facial features, and the fake lashes. CRAZY huh....
It's fun though. I like to see what I can come up with. Of course, on this girl (Kayla) she doesn't need anything. She's one of the most beautiful girls out there. Oh and mine>HEHEHE
Thanks Mig for your help.I'll practice these later on today and see if I can get it as good as you did.
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Old 01-19-2004, 12:41 PM
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Have I done work for you?

Heya,
Your name is sounding familiar. Have I done retouch work for you or one of your clients before?

Sarah Justice
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Old 01-23-2004, 05:13 AM
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Talking dull retouching

yep, I'm trying to learn the work myself though. I just aint making no money just doing the photos. Although, I still think your work is the BEST!!!!!!!!! I am getting better though. It's just those skin tones! UUGH! So hard for me to match. For a long time it was the lashes, now it's the color of the skin. I just keep getting a grayish color.
I sure didn't know you were a member on here. That's cool. I've learned a lot here. I also use one of Katrin Eisman's books and one of Scott Kelby's books. I saw some people discussing them here so I got them. I've learned a lot through reading them, but still can't grasp this one problem. I guess it's just gonna take a lot more practice.
thanks for replying.
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