Jill Greenberg, abusive photography?

[MatthewMarshall]

all though old news, Jill Greenberg artwork of the children crying has brought up alot of contiversy. Jill used a technic of taking a lolypop away frrom kids to make them cry. Her photos are amazing, and very artisic. But would you go that far as to make a child cry, and also how far should someone go for art.

my thoughts is no, thats not the way i would have done it, i used to get enuff crying kids a day at my studio. No need to go that route. But its not realy that bad, taking a lolypop away from a kid and they start crying like crazy. I bet they are already easy to cry babies in the firstplace. Also i bet most of those kids stoped crying after 30 seconds. If i was jill i would of kept my mouth shut, though. Because everyone loves to blow things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I26UhE1njFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2eufjHipE

[mr.aj]

man i just replied to this message...who cares? She didn't go Passion of the Christ on the kids did she. Now if she beat the hell out of the kids or threw them out in the cold, or starved them for a week, or waterboarded them...then we need to talk.

She took a sucker, who cares if they cry? Really who cares? Why do we have to have so many mothers in our society hold hands and try to be so politically correct?????

The pictures are Awesome, so much emotion, so much detail, so cleverly titled...can't we all just shut up and learn something from someone that just used her brain? She had an idea, what is more emotional than someone crying, who doesn't love kids, who hasn't seen a crying baby, we can all relate...

She prolly thought how can I make a kid cry, take candy away...kid crys for 5-3000 mins who cares, give candy back, kid stops crying. awesome.

You ougt to see me take away the bone from the dog and the catnip from the feline, it does wonders

aj

p.s. I'm not an asshole, I just am at a point where I am disgusted by everyone being so soft anymore, especially here in the us...

[MatthewMarshall]

aj, sadly i have to say if she when "Passion of the Christ on the kids did she. Now if she beat the hell out of the kids or threw them out in the cold, or starved them for a week, or waterboarded them" Then those would be some realy amazing pictures, lol im joking. i feal the same way as you i thought i would just see what other people think. any one have an opion that she was wrong?

[srdjan]

I do.

Why do you think it was ok to do it? Because you like Jill's photos? And if you didn't like them, would it be ok then?

srdjan

[saby]

I think Jill Greenberg told the matter about it all, she wanted to tell something by the pictures and she could, end-time dedicated to pain can' t U see, it' s not a poltical coming out, it's written in bible.

saby

[srdjan]

Originally Posted by saby

I think Jill Greenberg told the matter about it all, she wanted to tell something by the pictures and she could, end-time dedicated to pain can' t U see, it' s not a poltical coming out, it's written in bible.

saby

no i'm afraid i can't see it. it is not the question of message that pictures send, just the method used to produce them. basically i blame the parents who let their kids be used in such manner, and would never allow anyone do it to my kids, nor would do it as a photographer to get a better picture.

[mr.aj]

well sir...that is why you are you and wel,l we all know who jill greenberg is . Keep doing what you are doing, and let her keep doing what she is doing.

Can I take a picture of you crying? It would be so awesome

[jessibelle15]

The thing to remember is that the parents of these children were there and consented to it. The children were not hurt or psychologically damaged, they just had some candy taken from them, no big deal....babies that young have things taken from them practically on an hourly basis.

[Ant]

Such a troll post..

[mr.aj]

thank you jessie...

now I am not an animal and I don't condone child abuse, but i mean it was like a sucker, or a snicker, or whatever the hell it was....haha it was nothing, kids don't even know what is going on at that age...take some psych courses....when you play peekaboo, they really think you disappear. sigh...i just can't stand how everyone gets so offended...am I really that far from society??

aj

[saby]

Originally Posted by srdjan

no i'm afraid i can't see it. it is not the question of message that pictures send, just the method used to produce them. basically i blame the parents who let their kids be used in such manner, and would never allow anyone do it to my kids, nor would do it as a photographer to get a better picture.

so U never take a shot on a child crying OK... but they cry sometimes, so till there isn't any proof of anybody made them cry matter is message (IMHO)

saby

[saby]

Originally Posted by srdjan

no i'm afraid i can't see it. it is not the question of message that pictures send, just the method used to produce them. basically i blame the parents who let their kids be used in such manner, and would never allow anyone do it to my kids, nor would do it as a photographer to get a better picture.

anotherthing:

U never let Your children, because U never want to see them cry, of course, but U know how it is...

saby

[MatthewMarshall]

ok i just spent a day with my friends little 1 1/2 year old. I have come to the conclusion they cry over everything. I had a jan moment. i was at mcdonalds, and he wanted my fries. he grabed a fry from me, and i took it back. (he is not alowed to have fries or potatos cuz he is alergic to them) and he like started balling. Then i gave him an apple peace and he shut up almost instatly. From full blown tears to happy. 3 mins later he tells me he like apples more then fries, and he love me. lol. Maybe its not a big deal to cry when your little. maybe we all need a lolypop taken from us, once in a wile. Maybe we all should cry more. just a thought

[palms]

Just had a thought,
maybe the next in the series for Jill would be adults, now how to make them cry ?

Palms

[saby]

Originally Posted by palms1

Just had a thought,
maybe the next in the series for Jill would be adults, now how to make them cry ?

Palms

take away cellphones, cars, money,....etc

not so hard

saby

[srdjan]

Originally Posted by mr.aj

well sir...that is why you are you and wel,l we all know who jill greenberg is . Keep doing what you are doing, and let her keep doing what she is doing.

Can I take a picture of you crying? It would be so awesome

Well sir...that answer is just plain stupid. As I see it, this is not thread about being succesful, but about what methods are acceptable for geting desired results. I simply stated that this is not something i would do, that is all.
And yes, you could take my picture crying, but first tell me what do you plan to do to make me cry.

and finaly, thank you for your kind support in continuing my work

[hallsey]

I dunno... I agree that a child crying once is no big deal, but to make a child cry on purpose? At some level, that bothers me. Setting the whole cruelty issue aside, while a photographer might snap a wonderful face by doing that, isn't much of photography the art of capturing a moment instead of merely documenting a created moment?

[yelhsaneerg]

people seem to really overreact to petty things these days....parents take candy away from kids all the time....it's not like it's a memory that's gonna haunt them or something...lol i don't see them in therapy for it ya know....they won't even remember it the next day, probably not even in the next hour. (and i haven't even looked at her pictures so i'm not saying this cause i like them or anything....i just think people try to make something big outta things that are really insignificant) ...i'm bout to go look at her pics now though