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03-28-2008, 03:33 PM
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| | How to handle outdoor light that blows highlights? I've attached (part of) a picture of an "audience" inside a building that has very bright outside light streaming through the rear windows. I'd like to photograph the people without large patches of blown highlights at the back.
Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?
Thanks,
Will | 
03-28-2008, 03:54 PM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig fill flash and/or ND filter
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04-03-2008, 10:01 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Set the camera as if you were photographing the windows.
In another words, set the aperture and speed for the bright areas of what you want to shoot.
This will cause the highlights to be saved but the rest will be dark.
Afterwards, adjust the shadows/highlights to bring out people's faces. Quote:
Originally Posted by willdoak I've attached (part of) a picture of an "audience" inside a building that has very bright outside light streaming through the rear windows. I'd like to photograph the people without large patches of blown highlights at the back.
Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?
Thanks,
Will | | 
04-03-2008, 11:55 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Thanks. I've been shooting in what Ken Rockwell calls "idiot mode," so I'll have to RTFM a bit.
Will | 
04-03-2008, 12:15 PM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig What kind f camera do you use? Quote:
Originally Posted by willdoak Thanks. I've been shooting in what Ken Rockwell calls "idiot mode," so I'll have to RTFM a bit.
Will | | 
04-03-2008, 12:21 PM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig A Nikon D80 with the kit zoom lens, upgraded firmware. | 
04-03-2008, 01:02 PM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Your camera, if I'm not mistaken, supports both "spot" and "matrix" metering.
In matrix mode, the camera samples several points of the image to judge what the best aperture/speed combination is. I think that is the default mechanism.
In this case, I would try the "spot" metering scheme measuring the light from the windows instead of the people's faces. Quote:
Originally Posted by willdoak A Nikon D80 with the kit zoom lens, upgraded firmware. | | 
04-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Yes, you're right. And I think I can select any of the seven or so "spots" to be the active one. So I could set one near the top of the image (the bright area) to set the exposure. I'll give that a try and post the results.
Thanks! | 
04-16-2008, 05:44 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Thats tricky, digital cameras dont have the dynamic range (Yet) that can really allow a proper exposure with such extremes in lights to darks. So if your windows are a couple of stops or more brighter than the other subjects, they are going to blow out. If you meter off the window and expose, the crowd will be very underexposed. HDR blends suck and look chintsy IMO, besides people move. Using the shadow highlight pallette can only get you so far before it looks artificial. You can shoot raw and have a bit more latitude to try and recover the highlights and boost up the fill, but again, go too far and you will start seeing noise, wierd contrasts, color casts, etc. I split filter would help, but that physically limits you in terms of composition since you have to position the gradient properly. Basically in a situation like that, your fukd if your looking for something great straight out of the camera bc its not going to happen. Film would give you more range, but then again, .....its film. You could bracket the shot and post it with masks. But bottom line, your exceeding the mech limits of the sensors range | 
04-16-2008, 05:45 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig Another option....Light them from the front, even strobe the crowd from the front and set the exp to be equal or within a stop of the windows. | 
04-16-2008, 06:13 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig I would avoid metering the windows and then lightening the crowd later. The main reason for this is one of noise. Digital cameras always contain much more noise in the shadows and it's for this reason that you often hear guidance to 'expose to the right', which would effectively over expose an image but you then darken it down in post processing. I've tried this recently with some sunrise shots and the difference in the quality of the shadow areas between a normally-exposed shot, and a shot that been over exposed by an amount and then had the exposure brought back down by the same amount in Lightroom, is considerable. Sure they look very similar from a first glance but a closer look reveals better details.
So for me, the alternatives are the already mentioned use of flash or ND grad filters or you could even consider bracketing shots and then adding the windows from the lower exposure shot to the windows of the shot exposed for the audience.
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04-16-2008, 06:19 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig swampass is right, digital shadow noise sucks! | 
04-16-2008, 07:20 AM
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| | | Re: How to handle outdoor light that blows highlig I would have simply shot several photographs quickly from the same position, probably at a higher iso than normal to help reduce any blur. Not to the point where you have high grain. Expose a couple for back lighting and a few for the crowd, keeping the camera to the near original position and zoom consistant (if hand held). Take it into photoshop, mask, cut, layer, opacity etc. and adjust the images together using various portions. I've done this before and the results were fine.
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