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Old 06-24-2002, 10:40 AM
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I remember being 5 years old and my cousin who was 6 took me to my first matinee movie. It was called Jack the Giant Killer and was a fantasy movie for children. It didn't take long to realize I should not have been there. I was sitting in the front row screaming to the top of my lungs and crying at the horror of it. I'm 44 now and I still remember that movie and how it affected me. I saw it a few years back and can't see how I could have been so traumatized by it but then again I was seeing it through much older eyes. My son got scared of the big witch creature in the Little Mermaid. We had to leave the show early. It's hard to say how a child's mind will process something but I know from experience that what they see can have a long lasting effect on them.
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Old 06-24-2002, 11:54 AM
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Ed - No need to be sorry! That's what makes this place so nice...we can all have divergent views without flaming each other.

I think some kids are better at handling certain themes than others and it's up to the parents to decide if a movie is suitable. This particular movie seems ok to me. For the most part the reviews have been positive and it does have a PG rating (unlike many Disney films). Obviously it deals with some adult themes. For example, the little girl in the film lives with her sister since the parents have presumably died, and social workers are threatening to break the little family up. These are not ideas that every child can handle but I do think there are a lot of kids that can not only relate to some of these themes, but understand how to separate fantasy from reality.

Certainly taking children to a movie like the one chiquitita mentioned (Blade 2) is morally reprehensible. It's a movie that consists largely of violence for violence sake...certainly a far cry from what I have read and seen about Lilo & Stitch.

Tom - Just to clarify one point, As far as I can recall the interview I saw about this movie, no one ever said "There is no right or wrong". They DID say none of the characters are purely good or evil...and as I understood, what makes one "good" is the ability to admit a mistake and correct/apologize for one's mistake. In my book, that's not such a bad concept to teach children. It's probably far less destructive then brain-washing them with moral absolutism.

Of course, check back with me in a few years when I have kids and I might do a complete reversal!
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Old 06-24-2002, 01:18 PM
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One of the hardest things about raising kids is getting them to understand the idea of Right vs Wrong... for young children there have to be absolutes when setting rules of behavior ...thats how they think. Dealing mentally and intellectually with the nuisances of ethical considerations and morality or with occurances such as Vandalism, suicide, and so on is just plain beyond the intellectual and emotional capability of young children to comprehend or even remotely understand...they simply have not had the "time in the saddle" to make those fine distinctions and lack the internal control necessary to cope with the chore of seperating Reality from Fantasy. The Creators of that film ignored this and try to weasel out of their glaring error by making fuddled obsfucations, which when examined in the light of an Adults insight clearly imply the intentional attempt to mix both right and wrong into one amalgam and try to sell that as acceptable entertainment for young children...ignoring the mixed and confusing signals such a presentation sends to the "little ones". For more mature audiences that isnt an issue.....
But young children are another matter all together. Lacking the insights which can only be aquired by maturity and life experience, what is evident to a more mature person is inscrutable to the Youngsters, so moral absolutism is valid when dealing with the young child. Failing to do so leaves them with no fixed set of rules and examples to rely on which can make them vulnerable to predators and to having great difficulty developing the vital skill of self control.....Again, just my narrow minded and rather intolerant view...Tom

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Old 06-24-2002, 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by G. Couch
Ed - No need to be sorry! That's what makes this place so nice...we can all have divergent views without flaming each other.

That's why you rate where you do.

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Old 06-25-2002, 04:22 AM
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Well, I had went to see the movie with my little girl, and believe it or not, I certainly did enjoy it along with my daughter (13).

Quite a bit of the humor needs to be taken into the context of the age of the person that is viewing it. I found some parts totally hilarious while my child was looking at me like I was insane. ("Dad, it wasn't THAT funny was it?")

Kids look at movies as sheer entertainment and escapism. They're not there to absorb any "morals" that are portrayed on screen. If they do, then they need counseling. But that's also why it's important to discuss the movie after watching it. Ask questions in a delicate way to see what they have absorbed or learned. If they simply thought it was entertaining (which is the point of the movie) then you spent your 15 bucks appropriately.

If you take a child to something that you WISH to learn (Blackhawk Down, Windtalkers, Emma) then there are the discussions that a child will remember with them for the rest of their lives.

I've always objected to the "Disneying" effect of their movies "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", "Pochohantus" come to mind off hand. Life isn't always the song and dance that is portrayed.

People get hurt. there are bad people out there. Some people need to be punished.

I think that life's lessons should be taught at home and not to worry about what's given on a screen. As long as life's lessons are LEARNED from the parents (and yes, their peers), then anything that is gained from a movie is irrelevent.


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Old 08-03-2005, 01:40 PM
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I know this is an old thread, but...

He basically stated that he wanted to create a children's movie where there were no cut and dry good or bad guys. He wanted to present the idea that everyone makes mistakes but what makes one good, is the ability to admit and learn from those mistakes. He also talked a bit about the concept of family and how it was a central theme in the movie. Maybe none of those themes come across very clearly in the movie
This is exactly the point, I thought, of this movie. And I thought it was presented very well in the movie. (BTW - I never saw and suicide notes - where are they?) You know, somethign that I take issue with, is parents who take the view that they can just sit their kid down to watch a movie and then thats it. NO! My daughter is now 4 1/2. This little bitty girl has such a phenomenal grasp on reality, and I like to think that alot of that is my doing. From the time she was little she has watched many things that alot of parents maybe woudl not let hteir kids see. The DIFFERENCE? WE TALK ABOUT IT! Just as in Lilo and Stitch, yes, I initially thought that some of the stuff was out of place in a children's movie. But after seeing the WHOLE MOVIE, I was able to give my daughter a really good lesson, on a child's level. Just as that guy who had a part in makign the movies said - family is SO important, that doing bad things hurts everyone, that you can change and not be bad - you have a choice, and that noone is perfect. LOVE, in sort of an unconditional way, seemed to me to also be a big thing in this movie, which also goes back to family.

Right now, my daughter's favorite movie is Van Helsing. And beign that I have taught her since she as very little that movies are not real, she understands that it is just a STORY. ANd no, she does not think that there are monsters in her closet. As a child I was very shielded from things like this, it was just not adressed and totally off-limits. BUt at the movie store I woudl see scary posters or scary movies on the shelves, and it would totally throw me off, you know - "Mommy! The closet door!! I SAW A MONSTERRRRR" lol Tyler knows these things are not real!

TALK TO YOUR KIDS! That is my point. Don;t just expect that the movie or book etc. teach the lesson for you, USE the movies or book or whatever (life!) to TEACH your child.

At least, that is my take on it.

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Old 08-03-2005, 02:36 PM
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Love Lilo & Stitch.

Good vs Bad, like in Natural Born Killers. In NBK, there is only one major character that doesn't have an evil side. I find this idea also in Lilo & Stitch.

Is the UFC evil? Not really for banning genetic research because they are looking out for it's citizens. However, they want to squish 627 even though he had yet to commit a crime (that we know of during the opening trial). The UFC is evil in that they are sentencing 627 to exile before he even commits a crime.

Is Gantu evil? See UFC above. However, he does kidnap Lilo and I don't think that was exactly an act of good. Plus his general attitude of excessive force.

I Jumba evil? Yes in that he broke the law. However, he didn't exactly hurt anybody directly. Although, he certaintly pioneered the means. One thing that really interests me about Jumba is his motive to capture 627. For the good of the people, or to save his own bacon? I find that odd because he is so delighted with his own creation. He may adore his own creation, but will turn against 627 to save himself.

Is Cobra Bubbles evil?

That aspect alone has given me tons to talk to my 7 year old daughter about.

Then we have Lilo. An odd little child that can't identify with anybody because of her strange imagination. She wants to fit in, but she just can't. She can identify with Nani on some levels, but even their relationship is strained. At a very deep level, Lilo is alone.

Then Stitch, also an oddball much like Lilo. He doesn't fit in anywhere because of his genetic disposition. Through Lilo, he learns several things. First, that he does want to fit in and be a part of a family. Second, that he doesn't have to be destructive despite his genetic disposition. That is, he may want to destroy, but he can choose not to.

Isn't that interesting? He feels the urge to destroy, but chooses not to. Why? Because of family. (Grand Councilwoman sees this and lets him off the hook. Maybe she's not evil after all.)

Yet even more stuff for me and my daughter to talk about.

Then there's the more adult humour that I enjoyed. Like fighting over the wig. If found it funny that Kevin did the voice for a cross-dressing alien. Maybe he's been type-cast, ya think? And the excuse that Lilo made up for her doll's big head. And some of the subtlies about 'sly lying' to kids, like when they are talking about what to name 627 at the shelter.

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Old 08-03-2005, 04:34 PM
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Well put, Stroker.

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