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tobycatt · #16 09-17-2002, 11:50 PM

Hi CJ~

I think the Egyptians built them, but I think there is technology that they had that has been lost. Like from a really advanced civilization that had language and medicine and the ability to somehow lift these stones.

Mostly the people I read are Graham Hancock, John Anthony West and Robert Schoch. One of the guys on the show last night, his last name is Lerner, is paid by the Edgar Cayce society. Edgar Cayce predicted that there is a room beneath the floor of the paws of the Sphinx. Supposedly it has been found using sonar. Cayce said that the room houses data that will change history. The Cayce foundation wants first dibs on it, and they are in tight with Hawass the guy who runs the Giza plateau. Those authors that I mentioned were trying to get the Egyptian government to find out what is there but make it public domain. Last I heard, because the funding was coming from the Cayce society, they were going to get at it first along with the Egyptian government and they would be the ones to decide if the info would be made public or not. I don't know if this info is on the web, but I heard Graham Hancock speak and the whole second half of his lecture was on this topic and the politics going on there.

I could go on for days, but I won't. You can email me tho if you want. I would love to talk your ear off.

Hugs,
Claudia

paulette conlan · #17 09-18-2002, 03:15 PM

Re drilling into the second door--I heard some BBC reporter say that her sources told her that it would be a year before they had enough data ( whatever that means) to drill into the second door.I was looking at a schematic of a cross section of the interior in the papers yesterday and it appears from the drawing that the space between the two doors is very close to the exterior of the pyramid. They probably don't want to drill a hole through one of the exterior blocks but maybe they will use some sounding equiptment although I really don't know if that's a viable option. Anyway I guess that what I was hoping for was the discovery of some technology from that time that we were unaware of. There are so many place of mystery on this earth. It is nice to dream
Paulette

paulette conlan · #18 09-18-2002, 03:30 PM

Tobbycatt
Just saw your reply after I posted mine. I was unaware that there was a connection between the Cayce society and the Giza plateau project! Do you have a link to that information. I too have
the books by the authors you mentioned as well as whatever other books on Eqypt that I was able to get my hands on.The country has fasinated me from an early age.It's too bad that there are so many turf wars going on re the explorations but that is always the way.In some ways I find this reminescent of all of the expectation concerning the Letter of Fatima.Big build up-unsatisfactory( in my opinion) explanation.
Paulette

chris h · #19 09-18-2002, 03:52 PM

I'd be interested to know what alternative technologies are mooted as regards the construction of the pyramids.

tobycatt · #20 09-18-2002, 04:01 PM

Hi Paulette!!

This info may be on Graham Hancocks web site, I am not sure tho...it came from a lecture he gave in Berkeley that I attended. From what I understand there is a person who is a multi gazillionaire who is funding Lerner and the Cayce people to make sure the info comes to them and not the general public. I really don't want to think that anyone, especially someone affiliated with Edgar Cayce, would do such a thing, but nothing surprises me anymore.

From a world view, I can understand the fear and the Egyptian government wanting to protect their history and their antiquity. Everyone on the planet wants to have a piece of them. But if there is education to be had, we all deserve to know about it. The Dead Sea Scrolls are highly controversial, but they have not destroyed the Catholic church, know what I mean?

Last I heard Graham Hancock was backing off the work he has been doing. I am not totally sure why, but John Anthony West is really the primary source for what is what. I liked Graham for his readability and accessibility though.

YES FATIMA...just what was in that letter to the Pope???

I will get off my soap box now but I love this stuff. Not the controversy...just the amazing stuff that happens and we don't get to know about it. It's not fair. Oh gosh now I am whining too.

Hugs!
Claudia

tobycatt · #21 09-18-2002, 04:24 PM

Hi Chris,

Not sure I know what you are asking. There are lots of theories how they were built ranging from aliens to slaves dragging the massive stones across the sand. Some people believe that sound was used, some believe pulleys, some huge ramps used to drag the stones then taken down when it was done, others the tree logs with the stones rolled on them. Lots of theories but for all the recording that the Egyptians have done they have not found any recording so far of how it was done.

There are lots of examples of this around the world. In South America arches were built with stones weight several tons. No clue as to how the "primatives" got those darn cap stones up there.

There was a man in Florida who built a park made of stone. He worked alone, in secrecy. He opened his park to the public, but when he worked he demanded secrecy. He said he found the secrets of the pyramid builders, and from what people have been able to figure out it had to do with running electric current thru the rocks and then using pulleys to move them.

Here is a link to it:

http://www.coralcastle.com/

Fascinates me.

Hugs,
Claudia

G. Couch · #22 09-18-2002, 05:29 PM

Wait a second....someone explain to me why National Geographic is associating themselves with Edgar Cayce followers...or was that just something thrown together by FOX? In my opinion, that just kills any scientific credibility they might have had.

tobycatt · #23 09-18-2002, 06:17 PM

Why National Geographic would do that I don't know. Why they would affiliate with Fox when they have their own network I don't know, or why they would choose Fox over PBS I don't know, but we can sure guess huh? But we can guess it has to do with money and funding and things like that.

Mark Lehner has great "legitimate" credentials but he also makes no bones about saying that his interest in Egypt began thru the Edgar Cayce's teachings, so I don't think I am propagating a rumor started by Hancock at his lectures.

Don't get me wrong. I love Edgar Cayce and believe there is more to our history than we know. What I worry about is that the information may never make it to the public, and it needs to be public. We need to be able to make our own decisions about these things. Were Cayce alive I believe he would want the information available to anyone who wants it. Not just the rich and not just the fearful with an agenda of their own. That is not what Cayce was about. He was an amazing man.

Gosh.

Claudia

chris h · #24 09-18-2002, 06:45 PM

I watched the final part of the pyramid 'soap' opera. It was screened over here as a National Geographic production.

The programme was broadcast in approx 10 minute sections with about 5 minute gaps when nothing was transmitted just a notice saying the broadcast would re-commence shortly. Never seen a program in this format over here before, I'm wondering if US viewers got advertisements in these regular gaps.

G. Couch · #25 09-18-2002, 07:00 PM

I did some research into Lehner and he seems to have rejected much of the Cayce nonsense...I guess the other archaeologists were laughed at him. IMHO Cayce was a fraud....but if California ever falls into the sea, the poles reverse themselves and Atlantis decides to make a encore presentation, I'll gladly eat those words...

paulette conlan · #26 09-18-2002, 07:02 PM

Chris,
On the promos for the show here it said that it would be on FOX as a live special and then shown later in the week on the new National Geographic Cable channel. What the tie in was is a mystery to me. Probably some type of corporate affliation I would guess. Anyway, there were alot of commercials. We get quite a few channels in my community but not National Geographic...one of my favorites is A&E which has some really interesting programs.
Also love the sitcoms on PBS-particularly "Keeping Up Appearences" and some of the Masterpiece Theatre presentations.Some excellent shows come to us from across the pond. The originality and quality of the acting is what makes them so good.
Paulette

tobycatt · #27 09-18-2002, 07:19 PM

Hi Greg,

Yeah, I don't think my beautiful home state is going to fall in the ocean anytime soon, but Cayce was a healing mofo who helped an awful lot of people.

Just in case I will set you a place at the dinner table...

Hugs,
Claudia

Oh and PS...polar shifts are not unheard of.

CJ Swartz · #28 09-18-2002, 10:13 PM

I found a statement by Dr Hawass dismissing Cayce opinions

Quote:

On August 21 I will give a talk at the Cayce Foundation on my discoveries at Giza. I hope that after all these lectures and TV appearances that people can understand that what Cayce said about ancient Egypt is a myth. The Arabs from the 9th century talked about this legend and psychics like Cayce and others have brought this myth back. I found that the public need to hear the evidence that we discovered, and all the archaeological records as an answer to the question of who built the pyramids. [Dr. Zahi Hawass Director of the Giza Pyramids and Saqqara

Guess this is why Fox televises the Nat. Geog. shows also --
Based at National Geographic Society headquarters in Washington, D.C., the National Geographic Channel is a partnership between National Geographic Television and Fox Cable Networks Group.

G. Couch · #29 09-18-2002, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CJ Swartz
...the National Geographic Channel is a partnership between National Geographic Television and Fox Cable Networks Group.

So, they made a deal with the devil!

On next week- "Who wants to marry a National Geographic Photographer!"

chris h · #30 09-19-2002, 10:30 AM

I can recieve three of the US news channels via satellite and the Fox channel is pretty dire much of the time screening messages of praise from viewers !

Paulette I didnt realise 'Keeping up Appearances' had reached your shores, its always being repeated over here. If you like that you might look out for 'Absolutely Fabulous' which is very funny.