Problems with camera raw color profile

[vuk8691]

Hi,

When I open a photo in Camera Raw, colors are washed out and when they switch in photoshop they become stronger and different. I have a HP2475w monitor calibrated using spyder3elite tool. I was set the Color settings in Photoshop to the calibrated settings while the camera raw does not have that option. Otherwise, when the photos transferred from Canon DPP program, the colors are the same in DPP and Photoshop.
How can I solve this problem?

Thank you.

[mistermonday]

If you have you Color Mismatch boxes checked in Photoshop's Edit>Color Settings, then when Camera Raw opens the file in PS, PS will present a warning box telling you the image has a profile that is different from your working space and it will offer you choice to convert, to display in embedded color space, or to ignore the profile. If you ignore, then all of the colors will look different.
Regards, Murray

[vuk8691]

I did it and when I convert it the colors are same in PS and ACR but they are dull.
The colors are faded now as when they are converted from the DPP.
But when I turn off profile mismatches, the photos in the DPP are the same as in PS.
I mention that the color settings in DPP is sRGB, same as in ACR.

[andrewrodney]

You’ve got some kind of color settings issue. The images you see in ACR will perfectly match what you see after rendering in Photoshop. Make sure at the very least your PS color settings are set so the policies are set to Preserve and the warning check boxes below are all on. Sounds like you have a different RGB working space set in Photoshop than you are asking from ACR and you have the polices set to off.

IF the colors match in ACR and Photoshop and are both dull, you need to learn to use ACR to make the image appears as you desire (that’s what all them sliders are for <g>).

[mistermonday]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

Hi,

I was set the Color settings in Photoshop to the calibrated settings
Thank you.

What Color Space (Edit>Color Settings) is PS set to as its working color space?

Regards, Murray

[vuk8691]

Originally Posted by mistermonday

What Color Space (Edit>Color Settings) is PS set to as its working color space?

Regards, Murray

I use spyder3 calibrated profile.

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

I use spyder3 calibrated profile.

Thats for your display.What RGB Working Space, configured in Color Settings are you using?

[vuk8691]

IF the colors match in ACR and Photoshop and are both dull, you need to learn to use ACR to make the image appears as you desire (that’s what all them sliders are for <g>).[/QUOTE]

Yes, but the image in ACR on settings "as shot" is quite different then in Canon DPP program where the colors are much better.

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

Yes, but the image in ACR on settings "as shot" is quite different then in Canon DPP program where the colors are much better.

Of course it is, they are two different raw converters.

As Shot is simply a metadata suggestion. The WB has no role in terms of the capture of the raw data. You can and should move the various sliders to produce a rendering you prefer. Those settings will not translate to any other raw converter. Both ACR and presumably DPP have a default rendering setup. If you don’t like the default in ACR, you can roll your own new user default. From there you can adjust (season to taste) or just render the data.

[vuk8691]

Originally Posted by andrewrodney

Of course it is, they are two different raw converters.

As Shot is simply a metadata suggestion. The WB has no role in terms of the capture of the raw data. You can and should move the various sliders to produce a rendering you prefer. Those settings will not translate to any other raw converter. Both ACR and presumably DPP have a default rendering setup. If you don’t like the default in ACR, you can roll your own new user default. From there you can adjust (season to taste) or just render the data.

Yes, it could be like that. Thank you.
Tomorow I'll see what Color Space is PS set to as its working color space because it's on my working place.

[vuk8691]

One more thing, when I put photos from the DPP to PS they looks same in both programs, no matter what the DPP is set to sRGB as a ACR from which, when put photos in PS they change color.

Sorry for my bad english.

[amica999]

If I remember well DPP "remembers" the in-camera jpeg settings and applies them to the raw, which ACR does not. So maybe you should check your jpeg setting in cam?

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by amica999

If I remember well DPP "remembers" the in-camera jpeg settings and applies them to the raw, which ACR does not. So maybe you should check your jpeg setting in cam?

Well soft of. Its probably close. And DNG profiles attempt to do the same thing. IF you want the JPEG rendering, shoot and capture in JPEG.The idea behind a raw workflow is having the flexibility of rendering anyway you desire.

[vuk8691]

Originally Posted by mistermonday

What Color Space (Edit>Color Settings) is PS set to as its working color space?

Regards, Murray

Hi,
I use "Monitor RGB-HP Lp2475w Wide Lcd Monitor". That's profile I saved when I calibrated my Monitor.

[mistermonday]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

Hi,
I use "Monitor RGB-HP Lp2475w Wide Lcd Monitor". That's profile I saved when I calibrated my Monitor.

That is the color space of your monitor as created by your Spyder 3calibration s/w & h/w. It is most usually NOT a good idea to use the monitor profile as your Working Space. You would be best to use one of the 5 standard working color spaces:
ProPhoto RGB
Adobe RGB
sRGB
ColorMatch RGB
Apple RGB
Regards, Murray

[vuk8691]

Why, is this not the truest color rendition!?

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

Why, is this not the truest color rendition!?

The display profile is ONLY used for preview purposes. The display conditions and the documents you edit are divorced from each other (that's been true since Photoshop 5 shipped). So you never use a display profile as a working space, the display profile is used to PREVIEW the RGB working space correctly for your display system.

[vuk8691]

I think this is not a good idea because in this case the photos transferred from Canon DPP to PS look different (dull).

[kav]

Profiling helps but won't allow for 100% accuracy edge to edge. I also wouldn't set it as your working space ever. It's a moving target. The contrast, white luminance, black luminance, and overall color are prone to shift over time. You want a working space for your documents that isn't balanced around the age and settings of your current monitor.

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

I think this is not a good idea because in this case the photos transferred from Canon DPP to PS look different (dull).

Then there is a disconnect (incorrect) color setting, probably in DPP. In an ICC aware app, properly setup, the same RGB values look identical in different applications. Using the display profile as a working space is NOT the solution (even if you get a match between the two). Now you’ve got two incorrectly setup applications which don’t solve anything.

[vuk8691]

Hm, i have set display profile just in PS. I have never done it in DPP and I think there is SRGB profile but the image look same in both program now.

[andrewrodney]

Originally Posted by vuk8691

Hm, i have set display profile just in PS.

As two of us have told you, that’s a bad idea, match or no match.