I will take you up on that help!!! Yes i have Photoshop CS and I know my way around pretty good. The Painter 8 I purchased about a month ago. I have read and watched most of the tutorials on the internet. I want to do portraits for our photography business. I of course love to do this. My problem right now is the face. I tend to want to smudge it too much. I get the darks on the light and cant seem to get it back to where i should have it. I need help with the face. Just the little bit i got to read the forum yesterday, I felt i improved. It seems everyone wants to do outlandish stuff, monsters and weird stuff on most of the paint forums. I just want to get good at painting portraits. The ones in this thread are the exact art i want to produce. I love the little boy. I think the face is my biggest problem. I want it to look painted but still look like a china doll. I will be stopping by and subscribing to this forum. I am a sponge for this information. Thanks for being so nice. I immediately felt this was people who were willing to help.