[Ant]

............easiest troll ever.

[Doug Nelson]

And while you're at it, don't play piano unless you've mastered it in private, don't email anyone unless you're a post-graduate in literature, and please, please, never cook for anyone unless you've apprenticed in a 4-star restaurant

[Ant]

Enjoy American Idol.

[Doug Nelson]

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a Heaven for?" - Robert Browning

"If we wait till we're ready, we'll never get started." - Eleanor Roosevelt

[Duv]

Why do you rant, Ant?

What you say is true. There are a lot of people out there with minimal skills that call themselves retouchers. So?? What's your concern? Some people will pay a small amount for a so so retouch job. Some people want and can afford the best, so they call you. Some people are great salesmen, some are not. Some are great doctors, some are not. Some are great retouchers, some are not.

Some retouch just for the enjoyment of learning like myself, others are trying to find a way to survive in a tough world. Don't you think both can coexist?

By the way, I do like many of your images.

Cheers
Dave

[rondon]

02-24-2003, 06:14 PM
Hello everyone, newbie here with a question.
Anyone know of an online directory of digital retouching companies?
before finding my way to the big apple.
Polite when he got to the big Apple eh ?
02-25-2003, 12:45 PM
I would also consider retouching and restoration for a consumer/retail market to be lower to mid-end type of work.
gone over a year... we're still here.. I suppose you don't care for poetry either!
3-26-2004, 08:54 PM
Forgive me for being an ass, but photo restoration is low brow retouching. So is this board. Nothing to see here, moving along. Flame away, but I won't be reading it.
How Long has this asset been lurking ?
Today, 01:48 PM
The problem with most people who call themselves retouchers is that they haven't a clue what good retouching is or have an overabundance of poor taste.
I'm not, nor do I wish to be this busy
because you are not good.....not even close.
A retoucher in NYC averages 70-120k a year.
Yup! what's the rent there ?

Y'all come back now!
When you ain't busy.

[winwintoo]

You beat me to it Ron

Did somebody put something in the water or something?

I'm on a bunch of forums for different things and there are folks in all walks of life taking time from their busy schedules to bash each others efforts. It's not just graphic artists, it's web designers, jewelery artists, quilters, writers, you name it.

In this case the difference between me and those that criticize me is that I already know I'm not very good at it.

Take care, Margaret

[rondon]

The fellow is easy enough to figure... his own words point to a smartass who had high expectations a few years ago and is lashing out as he realizes his own mediocracy.

Perhaps he fears that as a washout he might not be accepted here so fires a salvo off at us, hoping we'll attack his rudeness and not look towards his faults.

His Website wouldn't work for me.. might be my browser.. if not, it's just another brick in the wall.

poor sole... might have found solace here!

[Jim Conway]

If everyone shared the attitude that harsh critique is the only valid option and never giving back to the starters in the profession you've chosen as a path for your life is somehow a contribution to the profession, progress would halt.

I love the game I'm in and started in it with the aid of others who knew a hell of a lot more than I did. Now it's my turn to give something back and I find it regrettable that some feel the only way to survive in business is to get in and slam the door behind them.

Jim Conway

[Caitlin]

Originally Posted by Ant

I'm an arrogant ass

I think there is a common belief that one aspect of being arrogant, is actually believing ones skills are greater than the rest. A legitimate level of arrogance is even forgivable in the highly talented. I haven't seen any of your work though, so don't know if that is a reasonable belief. As you haven't submitted to any contests, restorations or challenges as far as I know there is no reason to think that your talent is greater than (or equal to) many other trully helpful talented contributors to this forum. If you wished to even be taken seriously for a second you need to open yourself up to the same criticism. People can delude themselves about their own talent - very true - are you sure you are not guilty of the same?

Having had an encounter with another of your attitude here in the last week, I can only assume, that you, like them, may be speaking out of spite due to not having your own work recognised as competent, by those you feel are your inferiors.

As far as I can tell having only been here for 4 weeks, and a total photoshop newbie myself, this forum is a mix of expert, proficient, improving amateur, and slightly baffled. That's just fine with me, I didn't come here to be sneered at from 'on high'. I came to learn.

If there are particular contributions you that you feel are not 'worthy', why not reply to them, in a somewhat constructive way, showing how you think it could be done better. Rather than feeling it necessary to critisise everyone in a blanket fashion, totally unconstructively?

[Gary Richardson]

Hey Ant, better to keep quiet and have people consider you a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it.

[cardmnal]

Okay, which one of you wanabe retouchers stole ant's client?

[MaryLynn]

Things I've learned on the way to my "seniority":

I don't have to be perfect; I only have to try my best and enjoy what I'm doing while I'm doing it.

I don't have to be a professional at everything I do, only act in a professional manner when the occasion calls for it.

I don't have to know everything, but use the things I do know to broaden my mind and learn more.

Keep things in perspective: owning a hammer does not make me a carpenter but I don't need a carpenter to drive a nail in the wall so I can hang a picture. Using an image software does not make me a restorer, but I can enjoy the picture I've lovingly cleaned and repaired.

I don't have to be what others expect me to be; I only have to be what is true for me.

And I don't have to let someone else's arrogant attitude diminish my pride and enjoyment in the things I do!

Attitudes, like opinions, are free; everyone has one. Too often those with a bad attitude are more aggressive in sharing their feelings. Thank you to all the RetouchPRO members who have rallied to dispel the dark clouds raised by one person. And thank you to Ant for giving us a rallying point!

MaryLynn

[Janet Petty]

AMEN MaryLynn. Thank you.

Janet

[bigkidjr]

Personally, I don't think Ant deserves a thank you whatsoever. He is nasty, condesending, and seems to have missed the point entirely as to what this forum is about. I'm not sure why he continues to hang around here if he thinks we're all such losers, and I definitely don't think we should be giving him any more attention than he's already gotten. By reacting to his vitriole, we're giving him what he wants. Why not just kick him out? This forum is meant to help, learn from, and support eachother. Who needs this ingrate?