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Old 08-27-2008, 09:26 PM
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does anyone still make dye transfer prints?
As I was typing, I was wondering that myself. With the cheap cost and durability of an Epson, why on earth would somebody bother? They were preferred by early retouchers because of the ability to bleach out colors and render back over, but, hey, that's why they invented Photoshop. There's probably somebody out there doing it for old times sake, like other early photo processes.
I'm just happy I wasn't around it long enough to develop lung problems.
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:29 AM
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Those books mentioned earlier look quite interesting. Are they similar to Alvin Toffler's Future Shock?
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:58 AM
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This sort of greed by western companies will eventually sell us all down the river!
Outsourcing has already killed many industries. In the end it won't be worth us having
any skills or craftsmanship and then where will we be?
Before long the people outsourcing find they have been outsourced.
capitalism is cruel like Benny said!
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:11 AM
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This sort of greed by western companies will eventually sell us all down the river!
Outsourcing has already killed many industries. In the end it won't be worth us having
any skills or craftsmanship and then where will we be?
Before long the people outsourcing find they have been outsourced.
capitalism is cruel like Benny said!
I am all for capitalism, but with it, has to abide by some rules of fairness so more of us can stay in the game. What incentive is there to study and learn skills if there isn't a market to support it?
Where will retouching outlets be in the US in 5 years from now, will there be any left?

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:21 AM
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Problem is not many big business people have morals when it comes to making money. They just want to make more money and quickly!
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:54 PM
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Hi my name is Carl and new to RetouchPro.
I run a high-end retouching company in London and New York and have found over the years most of the low-end retouching is either being done by in-house retouchers or shipped abroad. Unfortunately this trend can't be reversed.High-end retouching is always going to be in demand because of the simple fact it's not easy to do well, you need an eye and that is something you can't buy off the shelf. A lot of people own a guitar but not everyone is Jimi Hendrix!
The other thing with high end retouching is in most cases clients like to brief you in person the chances of someone from india popping over to the U.K or U.S.A to pick a creative retouch brief up are slim.
So, the answer to the problem is get into high-end or buy a guitar.
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:20 PM
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Hi my name is Carl and new to RetouchPro.
I run a high-end retouching company in London and New York and have found over the years most of the low-end retouching is either being done by in-house retouchers or shipped abroad. Unfortunately this trend can't be reversed.High-end retouching is always going to be in demand because of the simple fact it's not easy to do well, you need an eye and that is something you can't buy off the shelf. A lot of people own a guitar but not everyone is Jimi Hendrix!
The other thing with high end retouching is in most cases clients like to brief you in person the chances of someone from india popping over to the U.K or U.S.A to pick a creative retouch brief up are slim.
So, the answer to the problem is get into high-end or buy a guitar.
I hope you are right, but remember another point. Many people are traveling to Thailand to get "high end" surgery and plastic surgery done at a much cheaper rate than they can get in America. And the report is the care is competitive and high quality with surgeons and hospitals in America . And why are patients "outsourcing" their health care to overseas facilities? TO SAVE MONEY.

But you also have a valid point about being able to offer higher standard of goods and services
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:48 PM
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Well being a former economist turned retoucher (weird career change I know) I can say that the problem has been around for quite some time with the turn toward a global economic system. I would say the low end jewelry market will always have these competition problems. After all profit margins are small so they only way to make more money is lowering costs. But the so called "WallMart" approach to selling merchandise has started shifting away from cheap production especially in the clothing market. Many retailers found the costs were even higher moving production overseas due to manufacturer errors because of language barriers and shipping costs. Unfortuntely in our business the costs of delivering product is nearly non-existent so retouching images for $1-5 will always win out over in-state production.

I would say that there is still a market for US retouching services just probably not in the low end market. Mid to high end jewelry market will usually always want "quality" over "quantity" . I do alot of work for small to mid-range jewelry retailers who either (1) make their own jewelry or (2) sell limited quantity products. They often won't even consider outsourcing this work because they want someone they can reach and feel like they can trust will do good work. Also, they are not large enough of companies to have staffers on site to do this work themselves.

I think that you will find that if you go out searching for independent jewelry stores or small manufacturers they will be very receptive to hiring US retouchers. You may have less work than the low end web business customers but the price per image will be alot higher. Consider this. If you sold a silver ring that retailed for $15 and cost you $5 how much would you be willing to pay to have an image taken and retouched to sell that product? If you paid say $20 for that service you have to immediately think "how many of these rings do I have to sell to make my money back and achieve the same profit margin?" Say you had 5 of those rings. ($5 x $5 cost=$25 cost + $20 retocuhing = $45 total cost 45/5=$9 per ring) So you have almost doubled your cost. Of course this becomes cheaper the more you have, but stretch that over 1000's of products and you get the point. That's why they look overseas because they can't afford sacrificing their margins.

Now say you sell a ring that retails for $4,500 and cost you $1800. You only have 2 of these rings and you pay $50 for retouching services. So now you cost is $1850 per ring and you can easily absorb the cost of having the photo.

For me I would rather retouch 100 photos at $10 per photo than 200 photos for $5 per photo. I can spend the extra time fishing!
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That's very encouraging captive. It looks like you have really studied the market and have some insight on what trends there are.
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Many retailers found the costs were even higher moving production overseas due to manufacturer errors because of language barriers and shipping costs. Unfortuntely in our business the costs of delivering product is nearly non-existent so retouching images for $1-5 will always win out over in-state production.
I've been reading recently that some manufacturers of large things (furniture, for one) are reopening factories in the US due to shipping costs increasing during this fuel crisis. But, yeah, shipping over broadband is pretty cheap.
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