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  • Jerry1
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    Thought it was probably you but wasn't 100% sure! Hope all's good with you and the family.

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  • ftp-Jeff
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    Hello Jerry, just saw this post! Small world eh? Hope all is well with you and Alix.

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  • Jerry1
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    Hi Jeff, you sound like a really interesting person with even more years in the business than me. I think you should write a book!

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  • ftp-Jeff
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    Thanks,

    I think we promote ourselves to totally different types of client, hence the difference in type of work we show.

    But it goes to show people how big the market is out there. There is always work out there for retouchers!
    Last edited by ftp-Jeff; 05-16-2017, 12:42 PM.

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by ftp-Jeff View Post
    Shoku, I can understand your viewpoint. I am happy with where I am. And will continue not to show "before" images. I can't handle anymore work at the moment anyway! Please share a link to your online portfolio, I would love to se it.
    Here is a link to our small before and after portfolio.

    http://www.modernpostcard.com/sites/...ng/gallery.php

    Only a small selection of our clients have agreed to appear in our advertising, while most do not prefer to see before and after images, which is understandable. The few who have allowed us to use their stuff come from a variety of disciplines. You can see a bit more in our video advertisements.

    https://vimeo.com/modernpostcard

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  • ftp-Jeff
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    Shoku, I can understand your viewpoint. I am happy with where I am. And will continue not to show "before" images. I can't handle anymore work at the moment anyway! Please share a link to your online portfolio, I would love to se it.

    Anyway, I must say, this thread has gone WAY off topic!

    The experiment is complete, the student I took on, secured a full time job yesterday, in a well established Ad agency. I learned a lot. Mostly from my wife who is a secondary school teacher, The need for lesson planning and resources, is very important. All in all, a great exercise.
    Last edited by ftp-Jeff; 05-16-2017, 09:27 AM.

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by skoobey View Post
    Shoku,
    Out of curiosity, where did you get that portrait before after from and why do you think it's more impactfull then what Jeff has on show?
    I never said that image had more impact than Jeff's images.

    I posted it as an example of a before and after - an extreme example, but one that would never be realized without seeing the raw image.

    The raw image was submitted by a client about five years ago and was included in a series of headshots for a marketing campaign. The end result was done in-house. Another image from the same series (although not as extreme) is in our online portfolio.

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  • skoobey
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    When you get to a certain point the reference becomes what sells your work.

    Shoku,
    Out of curiosity, where did you get that portrait before after from and why do you think it's more impactfull then what Jeff has on show?

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by Flashtones View Post
    Shoku, that may or may not apply at the level of client you service, but I trust Jeff if he says it does for his.
    We service many "high end" clients from a variety of industries. Many are not used in our advertising for the very reasons you state. And I agree with the reasons.

    But that does not remove the advantage of showing before and after examples. Clients hire retouchers based on what they can do. When they see less-than-perfect turned into gold that gives them more confidence you can handle anything.

    Anyone can polish a car, but can you also remove the rust when needed?

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  • Flashtones
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    If a person must see before/afters they can request them privately.

    At the high end, the better a retoucher makes themselves look the worse they make the photographer look. "Look I can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse" looks good for the retoucher, less so for the photographer. People simply wont hire you if they think you'll exploit them for your benefit.

    Shoku, that may or may not apply at the level of client you service, but I trust Jeff if he says it does for his.

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by skoobey View Post

    Describing the approach, that definitely sounds like tutoring to me.

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    It is also a sound way to impart your expertise - to demonstrate what you can really do. A complete portfolio should have examples of what you began with and what you ended up with IMO.

    For a photographer the end result is everything, but where they began is also important to reveal how they managed the situation. The same is true for retouching.

    Did you have 2% input toward the final result or 30%?

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  • skoobey
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    I appreciate that you like to learn things by looking at portfolios, but that is not what portfolios are for, so I don't see the need to critique him over the fact.

    Describing the approach, that definitely sounds like tutoring to me.

    Again, he teaches, you can contact him directly.

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by skoobey View Post
    That doesn't matter. I can tell right away he is great,
    While that may be true and enough for you, I still appreciate seeing what was done compared to the original, not to judge the person, but to appreciate what was done, and why.

    We can approach an image differently to achieve similar results. I like seeing what others have done so I can re-evaluate how I do things - it's about learning and getting better.

    Some images take 30 seconds to fix - those are not really useful for learning - unless the technique used is off-the-wall to fix an off-the-wall problem. It's the more complicated, detailed changes, if revealed, that can enlighten and motivate.

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  • skoobey
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    That doesn't matter. I can tell right away he is great, but I'll explain to everyone that might do reading on why that is.

    If all the images on the retouchers website are great, that is because he is either making crap files look great, or he has earned respect of clients that give him/her great images that don't need a lot of work. For any case or combination of the two the resulting portfolio is as presented because he is good, no matter what the source file is.

    And he has said he offers lesions, although I have a sneak suspicion those are on the pricey side.

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  • Shoku
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    Originally posted by skoobey View Post
    OMG, Shoku. Jeff is obviously very very good .
    Yes, but it is difficult to judge any retouching accurately when the observer cannot distinguish what the photographer did and what the retoucher did.

    Many photographers take credit for awesome images and yet 20% or more of the final appearance can be due entirely to retouching, not the photographer, unless the retoucher is the photographer.

    The requirements for any image will differ based on original appearance combined with client instructions for alterations. It would be nice to see the before and after to completely appreciate the retoucher's contribution to the final image.

    The example I posted is the raw image (hard lighting. no makeup), with the final, client requested edit. Obviously the final would not exist without the original, but the final is not due to the photographer. You may not appreciate that if you did not see the original.

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