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By kathleen on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 03:15 pm:
i am working on a photo of my mom's uncle, badly cracked and worn. on the wall behind him there is a dr. pepper calendar. i had almost given up determining what was going on in parts of it, when i thought about going to the web and seeing if i could find a copy @ a vintage advertising site. i did, which was a treat.
i fooled around with the calendar, flipped it, tried distorting it to see if i could make the imported calendar fit the space. i have come to the conclusion i can't, but intend to borrow from it, at least. more correctly, the outer shape of the calendar can be made to fit quite readily, but the contents look goofy as they are reversed. want to know if anybody thinks there is a way to make the import fit. it's the b/w shots @ http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/
as i've been working, i can not think how to select something in one layer (the imported calendar) and move it into another. paste makes it's own layer and paste into makes a mask i haven't figure out. i have mental block. feel like i must have done this before but cannot remember how.
the photo on the radio is my mother. i may actually have that original around here somewhere and paste her in too.
thanks for any advice. for that matter, any technique i can apply to this to speed things up other than lots more cloning and moving pieces?
kc
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 03:47 pm:
Kathleen,
The link didn't work for me.
Ed
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 03:54 pm:
Just me again. If you make the layer (that you want to make a selection of) the only one visible, you should be able to: Image > Duplicate, then make selections as needed (I *think*).
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 04:23 pm:
hmm.not sure why the other didn't work. i'm sorry. hope this will. http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kmcri...Photos&.view=t
but after you've made the selection, you want to drag it into the rest of the image, then what do you do? the calendar's sitting on its separate layer, i lasso, say, an eyebrow, and want to pull it onto the layer with my uncle and manipulate it to fit. i just know this is easy.
thanks ed
By Vogonpoet on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 04:30 pm:
not that easy! heh I tried both links and neither are working (the second one just leads to a 'private area')
From your description though, I would think that you need to bring the calendar into the image so it is on its onw layer (well at least to begin with). Then you should be able to use a combination of teh edit-transform tools to distort, perspective, scale, etc to manipulate the calendar to the correct shape/location. Some additional steps might be necessary , but its too tough to tell without seeing an example. It shouldnt be too hard, but not too easy either.
Look forward to seeing the image(s). Hope that helps a bit
regards ~Vp~
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 05:09 pm:
Kathleen,
Of course you know I'm pretty much a rookie, but couldn't you make a duplicate image of the layer your uncle is on first, then move the eyebrow on to it (creating another layer)? When you're done, you could drag the whole thing to make another layer on the original image?
Hope I'm not out in left field, and making your head spin. Just take whatever I have to say with a large grain of salt. Quite possibly this won't work. Just a thought. That's why it takes me a week or two to do anything.
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 05:52 pm:
this is raht embarassin (as we say down here) this must be it. http://photos.yahoo.com/kmcrimm
ed i think i understood what you said and i will try it
Vp, i hope you will look because i think i tried most of those suggestions last night.
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 07:35 pm:
Well, the link works. That looks like a time consuming job. I probably won't do much good with it, but I've downloaded it. Won't even get to start on it for at least a couple of days though.
Ed
By mig on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 07:57 pm:
I can't believe you actually found that calendar! I'm not certain this is what you want to do, but I think it is. Open both files in photoshop, the calendar and the picture of the uncle. Make a selection around the calendar and Copy. Then go to the file of the uncle and Paste. It becomes a new layer, I think you got this far already. Close the calendar pic, you don't need it anymore. Now you should have two layers: background layer of the uncle and the calendar layer. reduce the opacity of the calendar layer to about 50% so you can see thru it. Now hit Ctrl>T, this brings up the transformation box. Move it with your mouse by putting your cursor inside the box and drag it over to where you want to superimpose it; then grab the handles of the transformation box (the corners, etc.) with your cursor as you hold down Ctrl and move the handles around. This will distort the calendar to fit over the one in the pic of uncle. When you're done, double-click inside the transformation box and put the opacity back to 100%.
By Doug Nelson on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 08:23 pm:
This is cool.
Projects like this are why I love restoration
By Amanda K. Jones on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 12:00 am:
Hi Kathleen,
Hope you don't mind but I needed the practice so I downloaded your images and gave them my best shot. I followed Mig's advice and you can see what I got here.
I did add a few steps though. Before I copied the calendar into the image of your uncle I straightened it out and resized it to 50% size (so it was close to the size of the original calendar). Then after transforming it like Mig suggested I added a layer of noise so it looked a bit more natural. If you have Katrin's book she explains this process on page 114. But basically what you do is fill a new layer above the calendar with 50% gray. Then apply the noise filter. Then add a layer mask and fill completely with black. Then paint with white in the layer mask over the calendar just to add noise in that area.
Another thing you may want to try is to add a layer mask to the layer for the calendar itself and then apply a gradient so it fades into the shadows a little more like the original calendar did. Right now it's just kind of sitting there.
Anyways, good luck and thanks for the practice! Looking forward to your final product--you have made leaps and bounds so far.
akj
By Ed Ladendorf on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 02:54 am:
Kathleen,
Thanks very much for putting the photo up for grabs.
Mig and Amanda,
I really appreciate your input on this one. I woke up super early (2 A.M.), and decided to check out the forum. This worked out better than the challenges for me. I learned something real quick. Looks *great*!
Ed
By christie williams on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 05:34 pm:
Hi Kathleen,
Well I gave the calendar deal a try and got pretty darn close on it. I selected it and copied it over to the picture of your uncle. While it was on its own layer I used the edit transform distort functions in photoshop 6 and while the calendar was on top of the bad one I changed the shape to fit the size of the bad one as well as the angle. Ran the unsharp mask just to sharpen it up a bit. Hope this helps some. I was going to upload it but I haven't gotten advanced enough on the online photo albums to find a good place to upload photos yet. Actually I also haven't had the spare time but will add that task to my list.
By kathleen on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 12:01 pm:
y'all!
this response is kind of overwhelming. i am always gratefully surprised by the gracious generosity that characterizes this forum, the first one i have really "joined".
have not gotten to try all the excellent pointers yet, but do not want to wait to thank you all, and will report my outcomes when i do.
thank you my little smurfs.
i am working on a photo of my mom's uncle, badly cracked and worn. on the wall behind him there is a dr. pepper calendar. i had almost given up determining what was going on in parts of it, when i thought about going to the web and seeing if i could find a copy @ a vintage advertising site. i did, which was a treat.
i fooled around with the calendar, flipped it, tried distorting it to see if i could make the imported calendar fit the space. i have come to the conclusion i can't, but intend to borrow from it, at least. more correctly, the outer shape of the calendar can be made to fit quite readily, but the contents look goofy as they are reversed. want to know if anybody thinks there is a way to make the import fit. it's the b/w shots @ http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/
as i've been working, i can not think how to select something in one layer (the imported calendar) and move it into another. paste makes it's own layer and paste into makes a mask i haven't figure out. i have mental block. feel like i must have done this before but cannot remember how.
the photo on the radio is my mother. i may actually have that original around here somewhere and paste her in too.
thanks for any advice. for that matter, any technique i can apply to this to speed things up other than lots more cloning and moving pieces?
kc
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 03:47 pm:
Kathleen,
The link didn't work for me.
Ed
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 03:54 pm:
Just me again. If you make the layer (that you want to make a selection of) the only one visible, you should be able to: Image > Duplicate, then make selections as needed (I *think*).
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 04:23 pm:
hmm.not sure why the other didn't work. i'm sorry. hope this will. http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kmcri...Photos&.view=t
but after you've made the selection, you want to drag it into the rest of the image, then what do you do? the calendar's sitting on its separate layer, i lasso, say, an eyebrow, and want to pull it onto the layer with my uncle and manipulate it to fit. i just know this is easy.
thanks ed
By Vogonpoet on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 04:30 pm:
not that easy! heh I tried both links and neither are working (the second one just leads to a 'private area')
From your description though, I would think that you need to bring the calendar into the image so it is on its onw layer (well at least to begin with). Then you should be able to use a combination of teh edit-transform tools to distort, perspective, scale, etc to manipulate the calendar to the correct shape/location. Some additional steps might be necessary , but its too tough to tell without seeing an example. It shouldnt be too hard, but not too easy either.
Look forward to seeing the image(s). Hope that helps a bit
regards ~Vp~
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 05:09 pm:
Kathleen,
Of course you know I'm pretty much a rookie, but couldn't you make a duplicate image of the layer your uncle is on first, then move the eyebrow on to it (creating another layer)? When you're done, you could drag the whole thing to make another layer on the original image?
Hope I'm not out in left field, and making your head spin. Just take whatever I have to say with a large grain of salt. Quite possibly this won't work. Just a thought. That's why it takes me a week or two to do anything.
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 05:52 pm:
this is raht embarassin (as we say down here) this must be it. http://photos.yahoo.com/kmcrimm
ed i think i understood what you said and i will try it
Vp, i hope you will look because i think i tried most of those suggestions last night.
By Ed Ladendorf on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 07:35 pm:
Well, the link works. That looks like a time consuming job. I probably won't do much good with it, but I've downloaded it. Won't even get to start on it for at least a couple of days though.
Ed
By mig on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 07:57 pm:
I can't believe you actually found that calendar! I'm not certain this is what you want to do, but I think it is. Open both files in photoshop, the calendar and the picture of the uncle. Make a selection around the calendar and Copy. Then go to the file of the uncle and Paste. It becomes a new layer, I think you got this far already. Close the calendar pic, you don't need it anymore. Now you should have two layers: background layer of the uncle and the calendar layer. reduce the opacity of the calendar layer to about 50% so you can see thru it. Now hit Ctrl>T, this brings up the transformation box. Move it with your mouse by putting your cursor inside the box and drag it over to where you want to superimpose it; then grab the handles of the transformation box (the corners, etc.) with your cursor as you hold down Ctrl and move the handles around. This will distort the calendar to fit over the one in the pic of uncle. When you're done, double-click inside the transformation box and put the opacity back to 100%.
By Doug Nelson on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 08:23 pm:
This is cool.
Projects like this are why I love restoration
By Amanda K. Jones on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 12:00 am:
Hi Kathleen,
Hope you don't mind but I needed the practice so I downloaded your images and gave them my best shot. I followed Mig's advice and you can see what I got here.
I did add a few steps though. Before I copied the calendar into the image of your uncle I straightened it out and resized it to 50% size (so it was close to the size of the original calendar). Then after transforming it like Mig suggested I added a layer of noise so it looked a bit more natural. If you have Katrin's book she explains this process on page 114. But basically what you do is fill a new layer above the calendar with 50% gray. Then apply the noise filter. Then add a layer mask and fill completely with black. Then paint with white in the layer mask over the calendar just to add noise in that area.
Another thing you may want to try is to add a layer mask to the layer for the calendar itself and then apply a gradient so it fades into the shadows a little more like the original calendar did. Right now it's just kind of sitting there.
Anyways, good luck and thanks for the practice! Looking forward to your final product--you have made leaps and bounds so far.
akj
By Ed Ladendorf on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 02:54 am:
Kathleen,
Thanks very much for putting the photo up for grabs.
Mig and Amanda,
I really appreciate your input on this one. I woke up super early (2 A.M.), and decided to check out the forum. This worked out better than the challenges for me. I learned something real quick. Looks *great*!
Ed
By christie williams on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 05:34 pm:
Hi Kathleen,
Well I gave the calendar deal a try and got pretty darn close on it. I selected it and copied it over to the picture of your uncle. While it was on its own layer I used the edit transform distort functions in photoshop 6 and while the calendar was on top of the bad one I changed the shape to fit the size of the bad one as well as the angle. Ran the unsharp mask just to sharpen it up a bit. Hope this helps some. I was going to upload it but I haven't gotten advanced enough on the online photo albums to find a good place to upload photos yet. Actually I also haven't had the spare time but will add that task to my list.
By kathleen on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 12:01 pm:
y'all!
this response is kind of overwhelming. i am always gratefully surprised by the gracious generosity that characterizes this forum, the first one i have really "joined".
have not gotten to try all the excellent pointers yet, but do not want to wait to thank you all, and will report my outcomes when i do.
thank you my little smurfs.