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**DJ Dubovsky** · 02-03-2002, 05:50 PM

Hi Todge
Welcome to Retouch Pro. I'm not exactly sure how to use the poll you set up but I did visit your site. The gallery is excellent. You did a good job on the site. It's fairly straight forward and easy to read. I think the only thing I would do is bring in some color to help break up the black and white wording. (But I am no web designer so take that for what it's worth.) All in all, you should do will with it. Good luck.

DJ

**Doug Nelson** · 02-03-2002, 05:56 PM

Well, I don't know about what that poll is meant to accomplish

but I did visit your site. Your restorations are very good, and I wish you all the luck.

I must comment on the design of your site, though. Some of the pages took a very long time to load, and your restoration page is not visible to me without sideways scrolling (and I work at a relatively high screen resolution).

But the main thing I feel obligated to address is all the hidden text on your main page (down at the bottom, white text on white background). This is a very poor scheme, and could very well backlash on you in the long run. It immediately made me suspicious of your motives (though with exploration that was mollified, but you can never completely change a first impression). Plus, many search engines are smart enough nowadays to recognize this trick, and will simply skip indexing your site.

Ditch the hidden text, make your site a bit friendlier to browse (faster, narrower) and I think you'll have an attractive site that I hope will generate a lot of business for you.

**e-xposure** · 02-03-2002, 06:15 PM

Doug,

I did not design the web page. I will make sure that I inform my web department about this issue. My motive is to get back feedback from this community.

Business Integrity is an important part of what I believe in.

Thanks

Todge Sutkowski

**G. Couch** · 02-03-2002, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by e-xposure

Business Integrity is an important part of what I believe in.

hmmm.... One of those images in your restoration gallery seems strangely familiar. 3rd one down...I hope you got permission to use that.

The hidden text is tacky. Why does clicking on the logo open another copy of the home page? That makes no sense.

I know I am starting to sound mean, but you are advertising graphic design and yet your site is an exercise in bad design.

**Ed_L** · 02-03-2002, 08:44 PM

I went to the site, and after a very long time I still did not see the first image. It was longer than I was prepared to wait for, so I can almost guarantee that the general public won't wait for it either. But I'll probably go back if for no other reason but to see the third image down.

Just got back from the site. That image looks very familiar to me too!

Ed

**Doug Nelson** · 02-03-2002, 08:53 PM

I must also object to referring to your company as "your sole source for preserving those family memories". Since there are thousands (or more) of us out here, that would be less than true.

**DJ Dubovsky** · 02-03-2002, 08:59 PM

The image is from Katrin Eismann's book on page 34 and 35.

I never noticed the invisible text until you mentioned it. I did think it was funny that the page end was so far from the last item. I gather that is where you put your key words? No wonder why my site is so far down on the search engines.
DJ

**G. Couch** · 02-03-2002, 09:20 PM

I was going to give Mr. ex the benefit of the doubt in regards to using an image from Katrin Eismann's book. Heck, for all I know he got permission to use it. (although I doubt it). If you do not have permission to use her image, then I would suggest you quickly remove it. I know a lot of people on this website respect her work and would not hesitate to contact her.

**Bob Walden** · 02-03-2002, 09:34 PM

I liked the site. Easy to read and good restoration examples and explainations. Really liked the pronunciation of Giclee.

However, as you are also selling web design services I would have little confidence because with a quick look I found three major problems. Under "Scanning Services" "Iris/Giclee" and "Web Design". Someone was not doing their job proofing.
The restoration part I thought was great, design not so great.

Bob

**Bob Walden** · 02-03-2002, 09:53 PM

Went back to check out Katrin's example and found three more text mistakes.You did ask for imput.

P.S. I did not see your name in Katrin's contributor's list. Many of use consider her book our Bible for restoration. Also Katrin has helped many of use, myself included. An explaination coming from your side?

Bob

**Bob Walden** · 02-03-2002, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Bob Walden
Went back to check out Katrin's example and found three more text mistakes.You did ask for imput.

P.S. I did not see your name in Katrin's contributor's list. Many of use consider her book our Bible for restoration. Also Katrin has helped many of us, myself included. An explaination coming from your side?

Bob

**e-xposure** · 02-03-2002, 10:32 PM

photo issue

There is no doubt that this image is from Katrin Eismann book. I am a big fan of hers. I open to admit that this image is from that publication. Please also let me tell you that this company is not operational and this page has only been shared with friends, family, and those in the idustry that are willing to share advice which is why I have come to you. There has been no submission to search engines for this page at this time. When you make your self open to the public then I will be concerned about this issue. There are more samples dealing with hand coloring that will follow in the next couple of days that will take the place with some of these photos.

I appreciate your concern about this issue.

regards,

Todge Sutkowski

**Sanda** · 02-03-2002, 10:49 PM

Can I ask why are you using URLs in that hidden text? Are they there to try to fool the search engines? These URLs are not yours, Doug's site is even listed and even knows who else's is there. I've seen the practice of using keywords at the bottom of the first page to try to fool the search engine spiders but I don't understand the uses of the URLs. Please tell me what the reasoning behind it is, I'm confused

**G. Couch** · 02-03-2002, 11:02 PM

Re: photo issue

Originally posted by e-xposure
When you make your self open to the public then I will be concerned about this issue.

[high horse mode on] You made it public when you posted your site here, as well as when you posted your business information in the classifieds forum. It may not seem like much to you, but if you want to be perceived as a professional, then you need to understand and respect copyright laws. [/high horse mode off]

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