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  • #16
    Phil & Jeanie

    Yes, the file I sent up was limited to 100k I was told so yes it is smaller and that's a good point that the cracks are not as noticeable. I am going to crop out the face and re-upload that. I don't have that healing tool in 5.5 so I'm not really familiar with it yet, and I'll follow that suggestion about previewing too Jeanie. Thanks all! What a profitable evening!
    pierresplace
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    Last edited by pierresplace; 08-12-2007, 01:13 PM.

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    • #17
      Suggestion . . .a picture with the dimensions of 164 X 190 is really small. You might try sizing your image to a lower resolution in order for others to see the specifics you are mentioning (example, 480 X 600 with a screen resolution of 72 ppi).

      I have a 22" monitor with a screen resolution of 1600 X 1200. Your picture looks like a postage stamp.

      Just a thought

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      • #18
        Ok they say I am crazy because I do not give up till I find a better way.

        This one I used the healing tool very small brush and kind of painted the face in.

        After I got all the cracks eliminated I smoothed the skin with the blur tool set at 20%.

        Then I used Bruces colr set at 255 - 220 -177 reduced opacity to get color.

        I colored the lips.

        It needs adjustment around the face near the hairline but this will give you an idea.

        JUst another way you can attcke it.
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        phili1
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        Last edited by phili1; 12-28-2002, 10:09 AM.

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        • #19
          To Looker & Phili

          Thanks guys! The size it was at was based on the parameters I received from the moderator, that it be under 100k. At those pixel sizes the resulting "k" is almost a meg, sorry about that. On the retouch Phil, that's great looking and I understand the concept of the blurring etc. I mentioned in my earlier post that I did those things already. I do have one artistic compulsion though in that I remain true to the original image. In my other examples one can see that goal has been achieved. It's just that this one was a real problem. I'm going to re-try the decrack with the other changes. I just am reluctant to "re-color" the image.

          PS. I have attached what I've accomplished, but my problem lies in the lighting of the face and getting the high-low lights correct.
          pierresplace
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          Last edited by pierresplace; 08-12-2007, 01:13 PM.

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          • #20
            Pierre -- take a look at Jeanie's explanation about using Save for web to resize your images to the 100k limit and still get them big enough for people to see the problem areas. I think it will help in the future.

            BTW -- it's an indepth explanation, so get a cup of something before you start reading it... I would also recommend reading her next post or two in the same thread -- she makes some added points.

            Resizing/uploading to RPro
            CJ Swartz
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            Last edited by CJ Swartz; 12-28-2002, 05:27 PM.

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            • #21
              Nice work Pierre. Ok now I know what your looking for.

              To adjust lighting you need to make a select/all - edit copy paste.
              Then use the lasso tool, and select the area you want to lighten or darken, use the curves tool to do that and on the opacity of the paste adjust it. Do it in small segments so you do not see the break. It will work

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              • #22
                For CJ

                Cj I just figured out that you have to hit it with heavy dust & scratch for the history brush to work right.

                This is the results using it and the clone tool. it keeps the look just right and keeps the color right on.

                Use the lasso and curves and you can bring up the cheeks a little.

                It really works great.
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                • #23
                  Pierre,

                  It looks like you've done a great job with the cracks!

                  It also looks like there is some uneven yellow staining on the photo. The first thing I would do is look at the individual channels to see if one has more (or less) staining than the others. Then, use the channel mixer to turn the image to grayscale, eliminating the channel(s) with the most staining, but still with the detail you want in the image. If you want the sepia tone back afterwards, you can simply add that back. But, I would try to get rid of the uneven staining first. Please let me know if you need more detail on what I just tried to explain.

                  Jeanie

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                  • #24
                    Pierre,
                    When you say that you're concerned about the lighting in the face, is your concern that it looks "flat"? I.e., there isn't really any shadow areas? The original photo looks like the light source came from the front, so there isn't much shadow there to begin with. However, if you were to select just the face and do an S-curve curves adjustment, that may increase the contrast enough for you to be happier with it. That will have the effect of darkening what shadows there are and lightening the highlights. My attachment is just a quick stab at this picture and could use a bit more work/thought, but it should give you an idea for what I'm talking about.
                    Jeanie
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                    • #25
                      Hi Everyone

                      I really appreciate all of this feedback. I don't want anyone to feel I didn't read their posts so I'll try to recap in this one reply. OK on the "save for web" format. I just wasn't familiar with your requirements and went with what I was told by the moderator. This version I uploaded last, "lady.jpg" was not "decracked" at all. This was my own work before I posted the challenge. I accomplished that result with the tools I mentioned in a very much earlier post in this thread. One thing I did notice when I uploaded that version was that by reducing the image size the appearance that I wasn't happy with seemed to lessen. What I mean is that when I retouch I have the images so "zoomed" to get all the problems eliminated that I guess I obsess a bit. As an aside, the original photo I was given measured about one inch square and was a passport photo taken in 1955. The cracks all became visible with the enlargement. What a learning experience this was. I suppose in summary, what I want is for the face to have the proper highlights but the original was stained. The stains were all around the lower half of the face and in the background around same. This created a look similar to "lighting" (or shadows) and the owner was more obsessive than I was. Perhaps the solution is in reducing the size to "wallet" size and just getting this over and done with. Would you folks believe it if I told you that I have tweaked this for about 20 hours so far? But, when I do get it to where I want it I'll have a centerpiece for my sample book. A comment I received in my gallery with the two "officers" was aren't I happy the cracks weren't on the face? YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

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                      • #26
                        It is a tough one and you did a great job. As far as obsessive your taking to the right person. The one thing I have found with jobs such as these is that it is hard to keep the person looking like them. I keep trying to acheive that. When I used Decrack it changed the features but when I used CJ method it kept in the ball park.

                        Any way keep being that way your customers will love it.

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                        • #27
                          PIeere I know this is your thread but as long as you got me started I am looking for comments. Your end results is different then what I am trying to develop.

                          So CJ & Jeaniesa I took my previous post CJ HIstory brush which worked great and did some air brushing trying to put some more life in to the face. I used the right side coloration and put it on the left side and forehead areas , useing airbrush oil heavy brush, darkened under the nose, chin and neck area. I tried to smooth it out so ther was no blotching. It looks good to me but my eyes are not what sells. What do you guys think.
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                          • #28
                            Pierre,
                            You learned the same lesson I did - when an original print has micro cracks all over it, trying to enlarge it is nearly impossible! Just how big did your client want the restored image? I usually recommend that clients don't enlarge more than 2x the original, whether there are cracks or not. I have done more than that, but the results look really "soft" and I warn the customer about that beforehand.

                            I had a 3.5x3.5" color photo from the mid-70's that had cracks all over it. Not only where there cracks, but the picture itself was not particularly in focus. I tried to enlarge the image to 5x7, but was very unhappy with the results. So, I told the client I could either give them a much-improved print the same size as the original and that's it. This was after spending hours and hours on the photo. (Yes, I can easily believe that you've spent 20 hours on this photo!!) But, I wasn't willing to present them with a final product that I wasn't happy with - and that they (being quite picky themselves) would most likely not be happy with either. Luckily, the client agreed to a restored version of the original size.

                            One thing I've learned is to always look at an image through a loupe (if I don't have my scanner available) before giving an estimate. The loupe can pick up cracks, dust, mold, etc. that is not easily seen with the naked eye - and is even more useful if the client is requesting that the picture be enlarged. As you've learned, enlarging an picture also enlarges all of the defects!!

                            As far as sizing images to 100K for uploading here, I'm the moderator who gave you that info. I'm also the person who wrote the (long) tip that CJ pointed you to. I wrote it in an attempt to explain all of the factors that affect image size, because in reality, it's a bit confusing - especially when you want to upload the largest and best quality image you can that is under the 100K size limit. (From what I can tell, the images you uploaded were around 30K, so you still have plenty of leeway to experiment with uploading. If you'd like to experiment with uploading various file sizes, you can do so in the Testing forum.)

                            In any case, from what I can see, you've done a great job with this project. If it were me, I'd reduce the final output size to wallet though - if you have that option.

                            Jeanie

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                            • #29
                              Phili,

                              I think your version looks pretty good. The thing that stands out for me is her eyebrows which seem almost "sparkly" compared the softeness of the rest of the image. Also, there is a faint, but visible to me, diagonal line going from upper right to lower left through her hair and forehead which is distracting to me. Overall though, I think you did a good job smoothing out the "blotchiness" of your previous version - and keeping the eyes, nose and mouth true to the original.

                              Jeanie

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                              • #30
                                A real quick note

                                Just wanted to upload this real quick. See you later all!
                                pierresplace
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                                Last edited by pierresplace; 08-12-2007, 01:13 PM.

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