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    Duv
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  • Duv
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    Try as I might, I can't get close to Flora's shading and bringing out subtle contours of the nose, jaw line, etc. Are there any tutes or tips on how to do this? Well, Flora?

    Duv

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  • Xaran
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    Thankyou for the welcome Margaret.

    Joseph, Sorry I did not make notes while I was working on the picture but did use some airbrushing on the dress and large areas of damage after sampling colours nearby, cloning, patching and healing of course.

    For the background I selected the lady and copied to a new layer when I was happywith the results. Then created the background by applying a radial blur to the non- cut out layer followed by distort/ocean ripple.

    Looking at it again I feel the jaw line has too much shading so I may redo this part.

    Christine

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  • sage150
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    Hi Christine,

    Your restoration is really wonderful.As in the former two
    restoration's each has something to offer in the way of an
    very close likeness of the person being restored.You were
    able to restore teeth.Also it is different being in a colorized
    version.
    If I can get as close to the restoration as you did I'll
    be very happy.I can see that you've put in lots of work on
    it.
    I know my problem with the project is that although I do
    know how to use many of the techniques using PS, I don't
    know enough.Every time I go about restoring this picture
    it turns into a cartoonish efffect.
    I have ordered Katrin Eisen's book and it should be in my
    mailbox today.I have lot's to learn with restoration methods.
    Up to now my only experience has been restoring some
    crack's and tear's in some photo's that are B&W.I then enjoy
    colorizing them.
    I welcome any input on what techniques are used to restore
    this photo in what I feel is a very difficult task.

    Thank you so much,

    Joseph

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  • winwintoo
    Senior Member

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    Welcome to RetouchPRO!!

    Thank you for sharing your talent with us

    You've done an amazing job on this restoration, and I for one look forward to seeing more of your work.

    Margaret

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  • Xaran
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  • Xaran
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    Marion

    Although I am new to this forum - I only discovered it a few weeks ago - I could not resist having a go at this restoration.

    Lots of work and re-work but I felt quite pleased with the result even though it is not a patch on Flora's which is absolutely wonderful.

    Christine
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  • roger_ele
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    Joseph,

    You are doing really good. The skin on her 'dec...' is almost done. It looks like you are using the clone tool with a stroking action. Try this;

    -Set the clone tool at around 30% opacity with hardness at 0.
    -Go back and forth between the same light and dark adjacent spots (not strokes but clicks). Sample in the dark area, click in the light. sample in the light, click in the dark.
    -With each sample move the sample point a little so it has a random quality.

    The goal is to blend the light and dark areas to arrive at a smooth average.

    Flora,

    Way to go, that is beautiful! The nose shape it perfect. It is a real treat to see something I have worked on and then see it done so well, having worked on it, it really teaches me alot, thanks. I didn't have the guts to run the highlight all the way up the nose not seeing it in the original, but that is perfect and it is the darkness of the shadow in the side of her nose that gives it the width - now I see it ...

    Roger

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  • sage150
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    Flora I Thank you for writing the technique you used when
    restoring the picture.I have saved it and will again attempt
    to work on it.The knowledge is more important than the
    restoration. I would like to Thank you,Roger and Margaret
    for your input in this little project.It has been a very good
    lesson.I have also saved the jpg's as part of the lesson.

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  • Flora
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  • Flora
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    Hi everybody .... sorry for being so late in answering!

    Joseph,

    ....better late than never .... here is the step by step explanation of what I did with your picture:

    Tonal Adjustment:
    1) Trying to bring out more deatils in the most ruined parts of the picture I used the Curves (you can find a snapshot of the curves which I used on another picture here)
    2) Created a Luminosity Mask (Ctrl+Alt+~), slightly feathered it (Radius = 2 Pixels), copied it onto its own Layer (Ctrl+J) and set the Blending to Multiply, Opacity = 40%.

    Removing spots etc.:
    1) On big areas such as most of the background, Marion's décolleté and right cheek, I used the 'Healing by Pattern' technique mentioned in my first post on this thread.
    2) Clone Tool.
    3) After selecting 'good' parts from a surrounding area (background only), I used the Layer via Copy method (Ctrl+J)to copy the selection on its own Layer and moved it to cover the damaged part adjusting Contrast Luminosity and Opacity to better blend it.

    Enhancing Features and correcting Discolorations or 'Flatness':
    1) What I usually do is create new empty Layers playing with Blendings (Normal, Overlay, Soft Light, Lighten, Darken or Color)and with a fuzzy either Black, White or Color Brush (sampling colour from surrounding areas, Opacity 5-60%), paint over the features to either increase depth or enhance highlights to give a 3D feeling to the face. I also tweak with the Opacity until I get the result I like.
    2) I use the same 'Layers Method' for enhancing or fading the overall shading of a picture.

    Roger,

    Looking again at your restoration, I think that the shape you gave to Marion's nose is much more realistic than mine ....I did guess...
    ..because it was pretty & classical..
    ... and was misled by what I took as details (but were, probably, only part of the water stains), after the Tonal Adjustments I did...
    After reading your post, I went back and corrected it following your considerations ... and have to say that I like this last result much better ... thank you so much for pointing it out .... I'm posting a snapshot of how I got to my result...and after the correction ...

    P.S. Joseph, I have to disagree with your definition of 'Disaster' regarding your restoration .... I think you did a very good job with the cloning on Marion's décolleté (cloning is definitely not my cup of tea!!).
    I'd change the background, though ....When changing Background, I tend to use a soft Radial Gradient (keeping the colours as close as possible to the original to minimize transition problems), instead of a flat one colour which I, personally, don't like ....
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  • sage150
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    Example of Disaster

    To give you an example where I was going.This is the
    disaster I was creating.I figured I'd put this here
    because I see by a later thread it is expected to see
    how far the person who is asking for assistance got
    with his photo.

    Joseph
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  • sage150
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    Hi Roger,

    Actually when I look at both pictures as a whole both of
    them are extremely truthful to the look of the person.
    I would assume if you knew the person there might be
    some very,very minor changes.But as far as the restoration
    of that particular photo, both renditions are true.
    They are both excellent.

    I know some people that must listen to music through
    certain speakers and audio systems as a whole in order to
    enjoy their music.They will tweak their music systems so they
    can hear certain sounds from the instrument's,the bass,etc.
    I've never understood that because when I listen to music
    I can enjoy it coming out of any type of audio system,
    including a transistor radio.
    If I look at the picture of someone I know I see that person
    whether or not they are in their best clothes or jeans.

    I guess what I mean is that when I look at either of the pictures
    you or Flora restored, I see that person in that picture.

    I see I have quite away to go before I can achieve that
    type of restoration.I've sure been practicing and reading.

    Joseph

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  • roger_ele
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    Flora,

    Thanks for the teeth!

    When I was working on the photo I thought that the nose was wider because of the nostril shapes and the width of the flare of the nostril area. But maybe a person with a wider nose would have the top of the nose (from the bridge to the tip) closer to the face...? I am curious if you guessed that shape because it was pretty & classical & there were no clues to it's real shape or if there were any physical charachteristics that you used as a guide.

    I might be inclined not to say anything since we all have our own subjective vision, but I see this difference in interpretation as a real opportunity for me to learn (even though it might well show off how much I don't know). Yours is a beautiful job and I really don't know if my assesment of the shape of her nose being wider is right or not ... what do you think?

    Thanks,
    Roger

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  • Flora
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  • Flora
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    Margaret, Joseph,

    Thank you so much for your great comments ....

    ....Margaret, I've seen your work ... and admired your great talent

    Joseph, sorry I haven't had time for the description yet .... but I'll post it as soon as possible .....

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  • sage150
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    Flora somehow the above got posted before I could say,

    Thank You so much for the restoration.

    Joseph

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  • sage150
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    Hello Flora,

    You have done a very beautiful restoration of the photograph, I especially love the shading in it.You are
    all so very talented.If I could come close to what you
    have accomplished I'll be very happy.
    I feel like a beginning swimmer, swimming with Champions.

    If it wouldn't be too tedious on your part to explain the how
    you accomplished the picture I would be very pleased.
    I never dreamed I could get such beautiful renderings of the
    photograph.Try and try as I would, I found it very difficult.
    I put in so many hours trying to restore it.

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  • winwintoo
    Senior Member

  • winwintoo
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    Flora, that is beautiful!!

    Makes me wish I had PS 7 - and even more, I wish I had half your talent.

    Margaret

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