uniform background and printing

[Angela9]

Hi,

I'm new here - I've been lurking and learning for a while in this great forum. I could use some advice with an image I'm working on.

I've already done major repair work on this image, but I'm stuck with the background:

What can I do to the background on this picture, so I can be *certain* that the background in the upper half of the picture comes out black?

I've tried darkening the background, and it works fairly well on my inkjet printer, but I suspect much of the "blackness" has more to do with the ink absorption of the matte photo paper than the image having a background that will print properly in a shop, where I have much less control over paper used etc.

I also tried "replacing" the background with a gradient, but it looks totally artificial.

I've attached the picture and also a close-up, so you can see what the background looks like close up.

I hope someone has an idea.

Angela

[des151]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi Angela, I used the burn tool on your background.
Ray

[duwayne]

Re: uniform background and printing

Is this something like you had in mind?

The first thing I did was to run the image through Neat Image. The background is going to look fake unless you remove the noise from the woman or leave the noise in the background. I went half way on both.

I removed the woman from the background and used levels to darken. I used a gradient on the lower half. I could actually make it black-black but as you said it looks artificial. I added noise to the background and applied a G-Blur. I then used un-sharp mask on the woman and dress.

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi Angela, I used the burn tool on your background.
Ray

Thanks Ray. I guess the burn tool could be a successful strategy in dealing with the gradient at the bottom of the dress - I hadn't thought of that. The separation between foreground and background looks a little to extreme to me. I got a similar result when I replaced the background with a black one.

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

Is this something like you had in mind?

The first thing I did was to run the image through Neat Image. The background is hoing to look fake unless you remove the noise from the woman or leave the noise in the background. I went half way on both.

I removed the woman from the background and used levels to darken. I used a gradient on the lower half. I could actually make it black-black but as you said it looks artificial. I added noise to the background and applied a G-Blur. I then used un-sharp mask on the woman and dress.

duwayne,

I really like this. In fact, I didn't know the image could come out looking like this! I would have never thought to try a noise reduction on the face. I think you just got me unstuck - many thanks.

P.S. I have attached the original, so you can see how far it's come. Very gratifying to be able to restore such priceless treasures.

[Craig Walters]

Re: uniform background and printing

nice one, duwayne.

i did something similar.

duplicate background layer.

select out the background

add noise and blur

change duplicate layer to soft light.

invert selection

digital camera noise removal.

unselect

added curves adjustment layer. moved the lower left dot straight right a bit.

[chillin]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi Angela, you did a very nice repair work.
The background you could modify using the black/gray/white points in the level adjustments (masking parts you don’t want to be altered). The gray section needs some noise reduction.

[Craig Walters]

Re: uniform background and printing

looks good, chillin.

[saby]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi

levels correction to get absolute black at the top
new layer softlight make a gradient on it from black to none starts from the bottom to the shoulders
chanege blending to get back details (blend.jpg)
burning tool around the lady (more carefully than i did, i've lost some detail of the hair sorry)

saby

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

i did something similar.
duplicate background layer.
select out the background
add noise and blur (...)

*That* was exactly what I was originally trying to achieve - before I heard of the Neat Image filter. Thank you. Now I have several things to try out.

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi Angela, you did a very nice repair work.
The background you could modify using the black/gray/white points in the level adjustments (masking parts you don’t want to be altered). The gray section needs some noise reduction.

Thanks, chillin. I used to do retouching on paper. It's the digital way I'm not used to.

Ohhhh....yours also looks great! Another method I hadn't even thought of (I had only been fiddling with the layer options) and the result seem to lie somewhere in the middle between duwayne's and Craig's. I like how the dress stays totally intact that way. Thanks!

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi

levels correction to get absolute black at the top
new layer softlight make a gradient on it from black to none starts from the bottom to the shoulders
chanege blending to get back details (blend.jpg)
burning tool around the lady (more carefully than i did, i've lost some detail of the hair sorry)

saby

Thanks, Saby. I'm amazed how different they all look. Your's looks different yet again - also very nice. I guess I'll have to print them all out to see what they look like on paper.

I'm going to try all those things in the coming week and will upload the final result. Thanks for everybody's input - much appreciated

[Craig Walters]

Re: uniform background and printing

you're welcome, angela

oh, and welcome to RP.

[Angela9]

Re: uniform background and printing

Hi all,

Sorry for the long silence and thanks for the welcome. I'm finally ready to show you how my photo ended up looking!

I've experimented with and incorporated a lot of your ideas - almost all, I believe!

I used the Neat Image filter, which is a PS plug-in I can only recommend! I'd never heard of it before.

After reducing the noise on the person, I used Craig's tip to add noise and then blur it on the background. (Another new one for me!)

I did use a gradient on the bottom, but opted for Saby's black-> transparent softlight gradient.

Fiddled with the layers and the burn tool the rest and after so many printing test I'm now confident the background will come out black.

Thanks so much for everybody's input - I've learned so much. Can't wait to see my neighbor's face now (it's his grandmother)!

[Craig Walters]

Re: uniform background and printing

very nicely done, angela. and thanks for sharing your results