Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

    Hey All -

    First post here. Very interested in hearing some thoughts. This seems to be a fantastic site.

    I did a shoot a few weeks back. The faves of the model and hair girl fell more towards the second look we did. However I've just found some time this evening to do up some that I liked from the first look and was really pleased with the resultant feel.

    However...

    I was wondering if anyone knew the answer to solving patchy skin when darkening? The arm. Is there a trick? I've got some blur and a little skin smoothing going on there (her face was almost blemishless!). Or is this acceptable? I'm thinking of grunging it up as it could suit. From what I've read there's something that I could look at doing with the green channel? Some kind of blur perhaps? I have to focus my searching to find out more about that method yet...

    http://a99.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/...b7514ccbb2.jpg

    This is another one from that shoot:

    http://a466.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...85ca8ffc91.jpg

    I don't know if these links will work for everyone so I'll attach as well.

    Cheers,
    Michael
    Attached Files

  • #2
    Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

    I think some light dodging and burning would help here. Make a new layer set to softlight and fill it with 50% gray. Using the brush tool set to a very low opacity (10% or less), brush (on the softlight layer) with white on the dark areas of the arm to lighten them to match the rest of the skin. If there are any lighter spots on the arm, simply brush with black to darken them slightly. Hope that helps.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

      Oh - is that all... I've already been doing that!

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

        Are you being sarcastic...?

        Yes, that is all. If you've already been doing that, then keep on doing it more. It will solve your problem if you're willing to put enough time into it.

        Or you could make a new curves layer and match the bad skin tone to the good skin tone and mask it on selectively where needed. That way you avoid weird color shifts.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

          From what I can see of the first image, you have blurred it so much that you don't need to preserve detail by careful D&B. Create a duplicate layer, convert to B&W, invert and apply as an overlay. Adjust opacity to taste, apply black mask, then paint over the blemishes on the arm with a white brush. This should get rid of most of your problem. A quick example of the result is attached. Ignore the changes in exposure and colour, that's just me playing around with the image.
          Attached Files

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

            Hi Michael!!

            Welcome to RetouchPRO!!!
            Originally posted by schMick View Post
            ....I was wondering if anyone knew the answer to solving patchy skin when darkening? The arm. Is there a trick? I've got some blur and a little skin smoothing going on there (her face was almost blemishless!). Or is this acceptable? I'm thinking of grunging it up as it could suit. From what I've read there's something that I could look at doing with the green channel? Some kind of blur perhaps? I have to focus my searching to find out more about that method yet...
            Sorry Michael...At the size and resolution of the images you posted here, and from your link (both of them 21.37 KB) we would need a magnifying glass to look for details that are not there any more because of the incredible compression!!! ...

            Agreed that at RetouchPRO we have very strict limits for the size of uploaded files, but the idea of providing an external link is to be able to provide a picture of acceptable size & resolution (best would be full size and resolution) ....
            If posting the whole image at full size and resolution is a problem for you, you can always crop the problem area and post only that ...

            True with Photoshop you can resize/resample any image ...but "the available pixels needed for a sharp/clear/well defined image still will not be there. (PS -or any other software for that -cannot create something from nothing.)"
            And in addition to that, what looks like magic at a lower resolution, might make no difference at all when applied to the full size picture ...

            That said, the Dodge&Burn technique is very popular for these problems, but certainly not the only one...So If you'd like to have other opinions, tips, techniques etc. ... Pleeeeeeeeease give us a real chance to help you!

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

              Originally posted by jam1212 View Post
              Are you being sarcastic...?

              Yes, that is all. If you've already been doing that, then keep on doing it more. It will solve your problem if you're willing to put enough time into it.

              Or you could make a new curves layer and match the bad skin tone to the good skin tone and mask it on selectively where needed. That way you avoid weird color shifts.

              Hey Jam - It's simply surprise.

              I didn't realise that continuing in a similar vein would work. I've known of the technique, but didn't know it was used for evening out skin tone. I was more looking at it from a mindset of highlights and shadows for more dramatic images or changing the mood a bit. Thanks for the tip.

              MK

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                Originally posted by Flora View Post
                Hi Michael!!

                Welcome to RetouchPRO!!!
                Sorry Michael...At the size and resolution of the images you posted here, and from your link (both of them 21.37 KB) we would need a magnifying glass to look for details that are not there any more because of the incredible compression!!! ...
                Hi FLORA. For someone who seems to say it like it is, you do seem to want to imply quite a bit. What a welcome.

                Apologies if I've flouted convention, however I've done some research and thought that a description of my issue would be enough to convey what was going on. IE: I've darkened a lot -> Blotchy skin. Anyone who it's happened to before would know what I'm talking about. Anyone else would be guessing. I was simply requesting comments from people who've experienced it.

                To my eye the pic (compressed as it is) shows exactly what I've described. The forum seems to have compressed it even more by more than 2/3ds for some strange reason! I haven't had the best of luck with hosting sites which is why I attached the web size images. I certainly don't expect anyone to do my work for me.

                The replies I've received are quite helpful and manageable, despite heading in a different direction than I thought (woohoo). I'm a little at a loss as to why you think the information I've provided isn't adequate for those who it's happened to. Perhaps I've had too long a day with too little food and am unduly touchy. Maybe I've misunderstood something???

                Regardless, thanks very much to those who have already offered comments and assistance. I do appreciate it. Certainly, any alternative suggestions are still quite welcome if someone thinks it's warranted. Blurring and D/B are all I'm aware of at this point.

                SCHMICK

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                  Thanks Verywierd! Sounds like a really interesting method. Def going to try that one out. So that's used with an overlay blending mode you say? I've been doing screen and multiply brushing at low opacities on 2 layers with masks. Similar result?

                  MK
                  Last edited by schMick; 08-06-2008, 05:35 AM.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                    Originally posted by schMick View Post
                    Thanks Verywierd! Sounds like a really interesting method. Def going to try that one out. So that's used with an overlay blending mode you say? I've been doing screen and multiply brushing at low opacities on 2 layers with masks. Similar result?

                    MK
                    Soft Light, Overlay and Hard Light will darken and lighten the underlying pixels in one layer, depending on the value of the pixels applied. Many use one of those modes for dodging and burning because you can keep all your moves in one layer and flip back and forth from the lighten color to the darken color with the "X" key. Soft Light and Overlay diminish the effect as the underlying pixels approach white and black; hard light does not. Painting white over Black pixels in the first two modes will have no effect. In Hard Light, it will lighten.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                      As Edgework said, there are lots of ways to do the job. It all depends on need. The advantage of the method I suggested (and not just making a duplicate layer or painting on a blank) is that it is fairly subtle and automatically targets the darker areas (or light areas if done in reverse). It is also easy to undo and to adjust in terms of intensity. Playing with opacity using this method actually evens out the difference between light and dark areas. Screen and Multiply mode have a more overall effect (everything simultaneously becomes lighter or darker) and makes it harder to blend the edges of the adjusted area.

                      Originally posted by schMick View Post
                      Thanks Verywierd! Sounds like a really interesting method. Def going to try that one out. So that's used with an overlay blending mode you say? I've been doing screen and multiply brushing at low opacities on 2 layers with masks. Similar result?

                      MK
                      Last edited by Verywierd; 08-06-2008, 07:41 AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                        Hi again Michael,

                        Originally posted by schMick
                        Hi FLORA. For someone who seems to say it like it is, you do seem to want to imply quite a bit. What a welcome.
                        ... believe it or not, mine was a genuine welcome... and I am really sorry if I gave you a different impression ...

                        Originally posted by schMick
                        ......and thought that a description of my issue would be enough to convey what was going on. IE: I've darkened a lot -> Blotchy skin. Anyone who it's happened to before would know what I'm talking about. Anyone else would be guessing. I was simply requesting comments from people who've experienced it.
                        Sorry to disappoint you again here, but blotchy skin in an image isn't necessarily caused by darkening .... can be caused by many factors i.e. the concentration of a particular colour in that specific place ... and since, after working with Photoshop for years I came to realize that each image has a life of its own, I feel quite confident to say that a technique that works wonders for one ... may be totally useless for anther picture presenting a similar problem... That's why a simple explanation of a specific problem would result in the request to post an example of it..
                        Originally posted by schMick
                        To my eye the pic (compressed as it is) shows exactly what I've described.
                        The forum seems to have compressed it even more by more than 2/3ds for some strange reason! I haven't had the best of luck with hosting sites which is why I attached the web size images.
                        ...That's my point exactly ... when I opened the image in Photoshop and zoomed in at 200-300% all I could see were JPG artefacts which could be very easily eliminated with a Noise removing filter... (view attachment)... which doesn't work just as well on 'genuine blotches' ...
                        Originally posted by schMick
                        I certainly don't expect anyone to do my work for me.
                        ...I never even thought you did...
                        Originally posted by schMick
                        The replies I've received are quite helpful and manageable, despite heading in a different direction than I thought (woohoo). I'm a little at a loss as to why you think the information I've provided isn't adequate for those who it's happened to.
                        Originally posted by Flora
                        ....I came to realize that each image has a life of its own, I feel quite confident to say that a technique that works wonders for one ... may be totally useless for anther picture presenting a similar problem...
                        ... and I'm only talking because it has happened to me often enough ...
                        Originally posted by schMick
                        Perhaps I've had too long a day with too little food and am unduly touchy. Maybe I've misunderstood something???
                        Michael .....seems 'we' have started on the wrong foot (or maybe I've started ....) .... and I'm very sorry for that ....I probably overreacted because, for me, posts of the kind: Hi ... can anyone show me how to restore a picture? ... and nothing else added or request for help where the image posted is the size of a stamp are a regular occurrence.
                        But the bottom line here is what I wrote on my previous post : "Pleeeeeeeeease give us a real chance to help you! "
                        Friends?
                        Attached Files

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Mottled skin after darkening - solution?

                          MK,
                          Nice image by the way.
                          I guess if it were me, I would be interested in determining more about the source of the "blotches". Since we don't have a high res original (before post processing) to look at, we cannot tell you. But, you can determine it for yourself. You sound like you've been in this for a while, so you know the drill.... don't fix in PS what you can fix in the camera.

                          The blotches could be one of many things:
                          1. noise from the camera, created when the ISO is too high;
                          2. data loss from Photoshop editing.
                          > look at your histogram:
                          - spikes are from too much compression of a range;
                          - holes are from too much expansion of a range, or destructive edits;
                          > stay in 16-bit mode as long as you can before converting to 8-bit:
                          - of course, do as much in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) as you can;
                          - remain in 16-bit mode in PS as long as possible before converting to 8-bit.
                          3. Color noise, again from any of the above;
                          4. Compression artifacts (not likely).

                          I would bet on #2. A serious photographer would not likely miss the others. So, examine your workflow to see if you can make changes. It's time for all of us that grew up under 8-bit digital imaging to start making changes in our workflows, to allow for retaining as much 16-bit data as possible. Until PS and PC's in general catch their OS & app's up to be fully 16-bit or higher, we must adjust.

                          Again, shoot RAW, do as much as possible in ACR, then stay in 16-bit mode as long as possible in PS. You will eventually have to convert to 8-bit to use some of the filters and tools not available to 16-bit images.

                          Best of luck and hope we did not offend you too much. (Flora is great and a wealth of information. Hope you guys forgive and forget !)

                          Comment

                          Related Topics

                          Collapse

                          • c19h28O2
                            Skin Skin Skin!
                            by c19h28O2
                            Guys,

                            I'm trying to learn to d&b but with this photo i'm having no luck. I keep trying on the left side of her cheek with a 50% soft light layer (as per Eismanns's book) but there is a lot of yellow when i zoom in and i'm not sure how to tackle it. i've tried sampling colors and...
                            07-05-2007, 01:49 PM
                          • Linwe
                            Smoothing Dry Skin?
                            by Linwe
                            Hi everybody,

                            I did a search previous but couldn't find any specific threads that could help me. I'm retouching an image and the model has really dry, scaly skin on her back which is quite obvious and I'm not sure on how to smooth it out. As of stage one, I've split the image into the...
                            07-19-2011, 08:37 PM
                          • sakurama
                            help with mottled and goose bumped skin
                            by sakurama
                            First of all let me say thanks to the site. I don't post at all really but I do frequent the site when I need to figure out a way to retouch something I have trouble with. Generally that is people related since I was primarily a still life photogrpher but have been branching out to more and more location...
                            05-11-2011, 08:52 AM
                          • drode
                            Realistic skin smoothing (men)
                            by drode
                            I imagine this applies to men and women alike but with men the ultra smooth look is even more objectionable. This is a common task for me but I'll use one specific image as an example. Here's the basic setup.

                            I have a shot of a young man with acne and blotchy skin. In this particular case,...
                            02-01-2011, 12:36 PM
                          • Solstice
                            Giving skin warmth when it was originally dead?
                            by Solstice
                            If you are presented with a beauty shot with dead skin, meaning one without warmth, how can warmth be added more realistically?

                            I am not talking about glow (d/b, highlight painting) but adding warm tones in the skin.

                            I've always used the technique where you create a new...
                            12-16-2008, 03:03 PM
                          Working...
                          X