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    I purchased a set of actions from a photographer and they were pricey It took 15 attempts to download on the link I was given had a hard time loading them now I find they aren't automatic but really a long list of things I have to do. Actually more work than if I would have done myself is this normal? all other actions I have bought were automatic when clicked please help I want my money back on these if I can't use them. Pat

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    Re: Question about actions

    Originally posted by lolli View Post
    .. Actually more work than if I would have done myself is this normal? all other actions I have bought were automatic when clicked please help I want my money back on these if I can't use them. Pat
    Pat, could you explain a little more what the actions are supposed to do (name them and provide a link if appropriate) and what you have to do i.e. what does your 'really long list of things to do' comprise of?

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    • #3
      Re: Question about actions

      here is the link if you look under photographers it shows bohemian actions that is what I bought http://www.ohsoposhphotography.com/

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        Re: Question about actions

        to get them to work I have to do several things I dont want something I have to do 10 steps or I can do that myself The actions I have bought befros were automatic .

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        • #5
          Re: Question about actions

          The those sample before/after looks are so easily to achieve without any actions. You can record your own steps into an action by playing with some blending modes, curves and color adjustments. Then, from PS's File Menu select Automate-->Batch, you can have the whole automated batch processing on all your files easily. BTW, the post processing work for those sample images are so bad.

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          • #6
            Re: Question about actions

            I know but I am a novice and I just can't seem to get the hang of it so I wanted an action to be automatic. I agree most are bad . But isn't an action usualy easier to do than several steps?

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            • #7
              Re: Question about actions

              Originally posted by lolli View Post
              to get them to work I have to do several things I dont want something I have to do 10 steps or I can do that myself The actions I have bought befros were automatic .
              What you seem to have purchased is a series of actions which individually apply a certain effect such as curves or hue and saturation. They have names such as Goodbye Redface, Skin Glow and Lovely eyes. I would suggest that the Actions you purchased are in fact automatic although a small amount of input from you may be required to fine tune the effect, but to get the effect you want may require you to run several different actions.

              I think that what you were expecting is to be able to press the button and get rid of redfaces, apply a glow to the skin and accentuate the eyes in one go, hence you saying that you have to do numerous things first. Is this correct?

              While it is possible that you could have a complex action to do several things the action can then become unweildy and you would still need to go in and adjust the effect on the correct layer if the default settings too little or too much.

              So while you may think the actions are bad I would say that this could be due to the default settings being incorrect for certain images which will require some input from you.

              While I agree that most actions are easy to do yourself as you are a novice they may be of help initially

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              • #8
                Re: Question about actions

                I WAS TOLD THE ACTIONS WOULD AUTOMATICLY DO THOSE ACTIONS i DO UNDERSTAND THAT i WOULD HAVE TO FINE TUNE EVEN WITH THEM BUT WITH THESE i HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING SO REALLY THEY ARE JUST NAMES i CANT SEE ANY EFFECT AT ALL FROM THEM iF YOU SAW HER VIDEO WHICH SHE SENT TO SHOW ME HOW YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND i WILL TRY TO LINK IT pAT

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                • #9
                  Re: Question about actions

                  http://vimeo.com/user3319424/videos HER NOT HELPFUL VIDEO.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Question about actions

                    Please refrain from SHOUTING!

                    I think your understanding of Actions may be a little flawed. The actions would seem to allow you to do what is promised (not looked at them all) but taking one Good Bye Red Face video.

                    A single action that allows you to paint on areas of the face to remove red by adding the layers automatically that you will need to work on.

                    It achieves this automatic one button press Action by adding six layers of various types. You have to fine tune the layers to achieve the look you want.

                    An Action is not an intelligent application, it cannot make a judgement of, in this case how much red to remove it merely automates what can be a repetitive task in PS. You really cannot seriously expect artificial intelligence in an Action.

                    So if you follow the video for this you will see that you need to control the layers to achieve the specific look.

                    While I have no use for this type of action if I did I would produce my own. What the author has tried to do is make it simpler for the novice to achieve certain effects. Perhaps also in the process making things more difficult to understand than they need to be.

                    The bottom line is they do what they are supposed to do and from what I can see automatically per action i.e start action to remove red, fine tune as required, if nothing else needed stop there. If you need another effect e.g. Glowing skin apply that action seperately, fine tune the layers to taste and either stop there or run another action.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Question about actions

                      I purchased a set of actions from a photographer and they were pricey
                      I see what you mean... not a trivial purchase.

                      It took 15 attempts to download on the link I was given had a hard time loading them.
                      Well at least you finally got them. Did you have to get assistance from the photographer or was it just persistence on your part?

                      now I find they aren't automatic but really a long list of things I have to do. Actually more work than if I would have done myself...is this normal? all other actions I have bought were automatic when clicked

                      Normal? Well it depends on the nature and purpose of the action.

                      Some actions are written to be "one click" and all steps are performed without pausing. I've seen actions that create "art out of photos" of this nature, in fact there's a company that sells (what it calls/markets) as "One-Click actions." These actions are pretty much "one size fits all." Sometimes the results look good, sometimes not. Kind of a crapshoot.

                      The other extreme are actions that permit a user to make setting decisions with every recorded step. These would be considered "maximum flexibility" actions where the user has total control of the outcome. This types of actions might appeal to portrait photographers whose work is customized for each client, depending on pose, lighting, skin characteristics, etc.

                      In addition some actions include deliberate pauses in order to display information or help messages.

                      In all cases the process (all steps in the action, from just a few to hundreds) has been recorded to simplify (automate) replay. So one can have uniterrupted replay or interrupted replay depending on need, preferences, type of action, intended use, etc.

                      At this point it's probably an understatement that it appears your expectations were for full, uninterrupted processes and you got the opposite.

                      I'm sorry there was such a huge misunderstanding.

                      ...please help I want my money back on these if I can't use them.

                      Have you had any luck getting in touch with the seller? (Purchasing / charging your credit card is pretty automatic... Human contact can be more challenging, especially 2 days before Christmas. If you have attempted contact today and received no reply yet, give it a couple days.

                      Perhaps the actions could be modified to run with fewer or no interruptions?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Question about actions

                        [forgive me if the following sounds trite or condescending... that's definitely not the intent; i'm not familiar with the depth of your Photoshop experience or how you envisioned using these actions. just looking for a few glimmers of light in the darkness]

                        I watched one of the videos from the site noted previously. It occurred to me that building a layer group and populating it with several adjustment layers without interruption (via an action) could be marketed as "fully automatic" vs. using a mouse or digital pen to navigate menus to manually create the group and add each of adjustment layer. Multiple layer setup via action: finished only a few seconds. Doing this many layers manually: Minutes each time.

                        This type of action is kind of like sending a neighbor to the store to buy your groceries (only a lot faster). Upon delivery it's still up to one to decide what and how to utilize each ingredient to yield a final product: dinner.

                        Mask manipulation by painting white/black and opacity tweaking has to be done manually. It's just one way of using masks to yield the desired effects. Entire books have been devoted to the numerous ways to use and create masks. It's a facinating topic.

                        Looking for some lemonade...

                        While these actions may not meet current needs, it's certainly possible going forward, as you build a larger customer base and become more experienced with Photoshop, perhaps these actions will become useful tools in your post production arsenal. Maybe they will serve as models on which to build your own actions. Finally, since you now own them there's certainly nothing wrong with modifying them to meet your specific needs.

                        If nothing else, learning the concepts of and how to effectively [or more effectively] use layer groups, adjustment layers, blend modes and masks are skills that can benefit just about anyone who uses Photoshop, regardless of experience level.

                        So it may not be a total lost cause...

                        Good luck getting this sorted out.
                        Last edited by DannyRaphael; 12-24-2011, 03:16 AM. Reason: fix a couple typos for clarification

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                        • #13
                          Re: Question about actions

                          Originally posted by DannyRaphael View Post
                          ...I watched one of the videos from the site noted previously. It occurred to me that building a layer group and populating it with several adjustment layers without interruption (via an action) could be marketed as "fully automatic" vs. using a mouse or digital pen to navigate menus to manually create the group and add each of adjustment layer. Multiple layer setup via action: finished only a few seconds. Doing this many layers manually: Minutes each time...
                          Exactly the point I was trying to get across about the actions I looked at.

                          I can certainly sympathise with the OP disappointment but it has to be looked at realistically what an action can achieve. However if the marketing machine has actually been misleading then that is another story.

                          Perhaps as you suggested a call to the provider may get somewhere.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Question about actions

                            the problem is what she says in the video how to do it does not work on the program I was given to down load I just want her to make them work . I understand everyone but in the end I still have a product I can't use from what I am doing or the product doesn't make any difference the problem is she says she is to busy to answer all my questions . It took several days inbetween my questions and her answers which weren't answers but being sent to a video which does not help because mine don't do what she says should happen . I don't know a lot about photoshop but surely if you sell a product shouldn't you help get it to work? Now she won't even talk to me because she said she is going to sue because i downloaded it too many times I kept downloading trying to get it to work. I have a new computer that is amazing and have never had a problem with any other product but this one. In any case in my opinion her customer service is terrible and she tells me she has 2500 fans and I should leave her alone. I will if she gives me my money ack or helps get it to work.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Question about actions

                              This really is a difficult one to answer without seeing in person. When you run an action does it change and add layers?

                              For instance load in an image and run the Goodbye Reface effect, do not attempt to do anything with the image.

                              Now look at the layers pallette do you see several new layers added?

                              If you do see the new layers then this is a start and suggests the action has done its job. If you do not see any changes to layers or even original image it might suggest something else is wrong with the install of the actions.

                              What program are you using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements and which version?

                              I will not be able to visit again for a day or two due to the holidays but will look back and try and help after this.

                              In the meantime have a good holiday and relax and forget about actions for a while

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