Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

[Handmade Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Handmade]

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to figure out how this look is achieved. Mostly colorwise.

I already applied a luminosity map & saturation map to conclude that blue is added in black and yellow added in white. Reds are pretty strong/saturated too, whites desaturated. The overal pic is desaturated
Nothing special found in the histogram except that the pic is in the bright zone.
The lightning make me think to a bdish+giantbox.
The full serie : http://wienermodels.blogspot.fr/2012...gazine_20.html

However, there is something more in this look, would you be kind enough to orientate my research ?

- In the Colors : when I look at the pics, colors seems to be "pure", by this I mean well defined between each part/fabric/skin/... Like a separation or a re-colorization. But I have no clue about how this is achieved.
I'm not sure about this assumption but I already saw pic of this style shot by phase one captors, might be a step (no exif found).

- In the Retouch : stronger than usual, everything is clean, close to a plastic look/feel. So then, I do not concentrate my research on this part.

Thank you a lot in advance.
KR

EDIT: shot on Phase One P40+

[Zen275 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Zen275]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

I am interested in this topic also.

[mshi Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mshi]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to figure out how this look is achieved. Mostly colorwise.

I already applied a luminosity map & saturation map to conclude that blue is added in black and yellow added in white. Reds are pretty strong/saturated too, whites desaturated. The overal pic is desaturated
Nothing special found in the histogram except that the pic is in the bright zone.
The lightning make me think to a bdish+giantbox.
The full serie : http://wienermodels.blogspot.fr/2012...gazine_20.html

However, there is something more in this look, would you be kind enough to orientate my research ?

- In the Colors : when I look at the pics, colors seems to be "pure", by this I mean well defined between each part/fabric/skin/... Like a separation or a re-colorization. But I have no clue about how this is achieved.
I'm not sure about this assumption but I already saw pic of this style shot by phase one captors, might be a step (no exif found).

- In the Retouch : stronger than usual, everything is clean, close to a plastic look/feel. So then, I do not concentrate my research on this part.

Thank you a lot in advance.
KR

EDIT: shot on Phase One P40+

Where is your start image?

[Handmade Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Handmade]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Hey,

Thank for your answer.
There is no start image, I just try to learn the process assuming that I will reproduce the same lightning setup.

King Regards

[skoobey Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skoobey]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Mask each color out separately. Very cool image is the base, and everything else has been pushed with curves/gradient maps or other techniques.

Also, the clothes have blue in deep shadows (selective color, curves).

[Pics2 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pics2]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Skoobey, I know we are supposed to know this stuff, but - how do you mask each color out separately. And how do you use selective color to make blue in deep shadows?
Thanks!

[TheTog Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheTog]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to figure out how this look is achieved. Mostly colorwise.

I already applied a luminosity map & saturation map to conclude that blue is added in black and yellow added in white. Reds are pretty strong/saturated too, whites desaturated. The overal pic is desaturated
Nothing special found in the histogram except that the pic is in the bright zone.
The lightning make me think to a bdish+giantbox.
The full serie : http://wienermodels.blogspot.fr/2012...gazine_20.html

However, there is something more in this look, would you be kind enough to orientate my research ?

- In the Colors : when I look at the pics, colors seems to be "pure", by this I mean well defined between each part/fabric/skin/... Like a separation or a re-colorization. But I have no clue about how this is achieved.
I'm not sure about this assumption but I already saw pic of this style shot by phase one captors, might be a step (no exif found).

- In the Retouch : stronger than usual, everything is clean, close to a plastic look/feel. So then, I do not concentrate my research on this part.

Thank you a lot in advance.
KR

EDIT: shot on Phase One P40+

How do you make the saturation and luminosity maps?

Thanks

[skoobey Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skoobey]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Skoobey, I know we are supposed to know this stuff, but - how do you mask each color out separately. And how do you use selective color to make blue in deep shadows?
Thanks!

Use pen tool to select an area, then refine that mask by using push tool.

It doesn't have to be a color adjustment, it can be a saturation or luminosity, or whatever.

Also, it doesn't have to be a single-color area, it can be a dress that you want to "pop", or a hand that needs color adjustment, or whatever.

Pen is an absolute must. The fastest way to select.

Amateurs don't use it as it is is sort-of difficult to use when you're not good with it, but just like writing, once you know how to write, you never go back to drawing every word(manual masking by brush).

[Pics2 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pics2]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I do use Pen tool exclusively for selections and it proves constantly that this tool is essential.
But, I have problem mastering all this color thing. I'm learning Gradient Maps now, it looks like they are essential too, the way Pen tool is. Now I'm realizing that most of the tones of color actions for Photoshop are made using at least one Gradient Map.

[Flashtones Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Flashtones]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

I'm learning Gradient Maps now, it looks like they are essential too, the way Pen tool is. Now I'm realizing that most of the tones of color actions for Photoshop are made using at least one Gradient Map.

Seriously? To which actions do you refer?

Here's a whole bunch of high end retouch videos. If you can find more than one or two instances, in all those videos, of them being used I'd be surprised.

http://www.retouchpro.com/index.php?page=rentals

[skoobey Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skoobey]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

The way that I do gradient maps, and it's far easier is to:

Turn on a hue/sat layer with -100 saturation on top of all layers to see a B+W version.

make a gradient map that's masked out to only fit the area you want a affected.

Fiddle with slider and settings in gradient map until you see no difference in luminosity.

Then you go to hue and saturation aspect of it.

Also you can make a default gradient map of Black to white, fiddle with the settings to get the luminosity right, then make a curve at color mode with the same mask above it, and set the colors on a curve.

[adtechniques Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close adtechniques]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

thks for your help, skoobey

[Pics2 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pics2]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Seriously? To which actions do you refer?

Here's a whole bunch of high end retouch videos. If you can find more than one or two instances, in all those videos, of them being used I'd be surprised.

http://www.retouchpro.com/index.php?page=rentals

I refer to actions for wedding, senior portraiture etc. like TRA (Totally Rad Actions), Kevin Kubota and the similar that dozens of artists make like
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=vint...toshop+actions
I wasn't talking about step by step detailed retouching like the one you refer to.
I like you guys who are never around when I ask for help and all you know to do is complain.

[JR22 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JR22]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

Sorry, this is probably obvious but can someone explain how to make the saturation and luminosity maps? I'm assuming some blending modes involved..

[Flashtones Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Flashtones]

Re: Colorization / Color Separation / Pure Color

I refer to actions for wedding, senior portraiture etc. like TRA (Totally Rad Actions), Kevin Kubota and the similar that dozens of artists make like
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=vint...toshop+actions
I wasn't talking about step by step detailed retouching like the one you refer to.
I like you guys who are never around when I ask for help and all you know to do is complain.

I guess if you're looking for one button solutions, gradient maps are as good as anything. I just find them frequently offered on forums, and infrequently used in pro environments. But that's just my experience, and not meant as a dis. Use them if comfortable with them. But I highly doubt they were the tool used on the pro retouching the OP was inquiring about.

I just find them awkward to work with. Sort of like Channel Mixer: a powerful tool, but not an everyday tool for me. But one could easily suggest Channel Mix as a solution to every color problem, and with enough fussing to make it work, they'd be right.

Find what you like and get good with it. If Gradient Maps get you where you're going, that's great.

Meanwhile, I'd love to see one of the more helpful souls here actually replicate the OP's reference images w/ Gradient Maps. It's easy to just throw "solutions" to the wind, but lets see it in action.