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  • Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

    http://www.gavinoneill.com/latestwork

    there is not just heavy DnB something else IMHO

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    Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

    Lighting, setting, model, make up, hair, camera, lens, settings, angle, framing, capture, developing, cleaning up, dodging and burning, color correction, sharpening, sizing, saving, uploading, and all of those involve multiple steps.

    So, how about asking about a particular thing? No one will just make you into Gavin by writing a single sentence? Any examples of yours vs. his image and what you can't get a grasp on?

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    • #3
      Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

      What you need is a case study on image editing. You have to break this much detail up into smaller chunks and get specific things to work. I mean if I had to imagine how this started, I could at least count several necessary adjustments just by looking at the lighting and brightness differences. I couldn't necessarily tell you a start to finish though.

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      • #4
        Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

        Originally posted by skoobey View Post
        Lighting, setting, model, make up, hair, camera, lens, settings, angle, framing, capture, developing, cleaning up, dodging and burning, color correction, sharpening, sizing, saving, uploading, and all of those involve multiple steps.

        So, how about asking about a particular thing? No one will just make you into Gavin by writing a single sentence? Any examples of yours vs. his image and what you can't get a grasp on?
        Just open your eyes and look at the topic question...

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        • #5
          Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

          Pick one photo out of this portfolio and people could help with the skin. You're showing a full stack of like 60 images all of which are a bit different.

          On second thoughts, they all have something in common: they are over retouched (that's his style nevertheless). There's no magic here. Two thirds are shot on location sipping a refreshing drink through the straw. You have the beatiful lighting for that glossy skin, further smoothed out in post. A lot of the shots have a very uniform colour pallette - bronze skin against saturated greens and blues. Bronze is key, hence the "summer mood".

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          • #6
            Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

            Here's an image, but different artist - Julia Kuzmenko, the same principe of skin retouching, i would like to know..
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            • #7
              Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

              Originally posted by insmac View Post
              Pick one photo out of this portfolio and people could help with the skin. You're showing a full stack of like 60 images all of which are a bit different.

              On second thoughts, they all have something in common: they are over retouched (that's his style nevertheless). There's no magic here. Two thirds are shot on location sipping a refreshing drink through the straw. You have the beatiful lighting for that glossy skin, further smoothed out in post. A lot of the shots have a very uniform colour pallette - bronze skin against saturated greens and blues. Bronze is key, hence the "summer mood".
              i've attached the image!

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              • #8
                Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                Look at the Tab.. 'Site Nav' above and click on the Tutorial Section. There you will find many ways of doing the things you want... like the following :

                1. The quick de-grunge trick

                2. That Soft Dior Look for Portraits

                3. So So to So Sexy

                4. Wet Skin

                5. (5) different methods to achieve the Amy Dresser look:
                Amy Dresser Tutorial.pdf

                6. Comments and work flow from Amy Dresser(Download the PSD at the bottom of the post to see the work flow she used to achieve this)

                To achieve the skin tones you want, use a combination of some or all of the many steps presented.
                The main thing is to Practice Cubed till you get what you want

                Tis one thing to post a photo of what you want to achieve, and totally another, to post a photo that you are using and trying to achieve the same effect on... is the exposure the same, focus the same, pose the same, lighting the same, sharpness the same, etc.... on and on In other words where you are starting from makes a world of difference

                Did you really read the response by 'Skoobey'
                Originally posted by skoobey View Post
                So, how about asking about a particular thing? No one will just make you into Gavin by writing a single sentence? Any examples of yours vs. his image and what you can't get a grasp on?
                Your answer was not very nice
                Originally posted by buddhamonch View Post
                Just open your eyes and look at the topic question...
                You came here wanting help and we are all trying to help... Hope this helps!

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                • #9
                  Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                  Originally posted by 0lBaldy View Post
                  Look at the Tab.. 'Site Nav' above and click on the Tutorial Section. There you will find many ways of doing the things you want... like the following :

                  1. The quick de-grunge trick

                  2. That Soft Dior Look for Portraits

                  3. So So to So Sexy

                  4. Wet Skin

                  5. (5) different methods to achieve the Amy Dresser look:
                  Amy Dresser Tutorial.pdf

                  6. Comments and work flow from Amy Dresser(Download the PSD at the bottom of the post to see the work flow she used to achieve this)

                  To achieve the skin tones you want, use a combination of some or all of the many steps presented.
                  The main thing is to Practice Cubed till you get what you want

                  Tis one thing to post a photo of what you want to achieve, and totally another, to post a photo that you are using and trying to achieve the same effect on... is the exposure the same, focus the same, pose the same, lighting the same, sharpness the same, etc.... on and on In other words where you are starting from makes a world of difference

                  Did you really read the response by 'Skoobey'

                  Your answer was not very nice

                  You came here wanting help and we are all trying to help... Hope this helps!

                  Thanks a lot for your respond, i appreciate that!
                  BUT, there is nothing usefull...

                  1) de-grunge is very dirty and quick way of retouching the skin, also known as inverted high pass or digital powder...

                  2)so so, to so sexy, nothing to say, just applied couple of filters...

                  3)wet skin, is a basic with highlights and contouring, nothing special...

                  4)Amy dresser using the hevy dodge and burn technics, BUT on a shadow areas SHE replacing with noise and embos I guess, so im not looking for that...

                  5) That Soft Dior Look for Portraits - It could be there, but there is not enough information about skin texture replacement, So if you have more information about that technic, could you share it please!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                    Regarding posted image, I think it's rather simple.

                    It was most likely shot using a highly reflective diffuser underneath model's face. That way you have reflections on the nose, blinks in her yes obviously, lighter shadows.

                    What I usually do is an adjustment layer blended multiply which initially looks dull and lacks saturation and so I lower the opacity to somewhat around 50% and then create a curves adjustment with a definitive 'S curve' to give it a pop. That way I end up with deeper skin tones, rich contrast and saturation and overally more pleasing to an average viewer.

                    There's a skin color correction going on obviously to give it more tanned look, more yellowish I'd say but that is pretty common for a shot like this whereas for a fashion shoot you'd be going more towards lightly saturated reds and bronze.

                    The rest is just heavy D&B, this is too much for my taste however I do understand it's likely a beauty campaign or an editorial which looks smoother on paper due to a lack of backlight source hence the weaker whites.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                      Originally posted by insmac View Post
                      Regarding posted image, I think it's rather simple.

                      It was most likely shot using a highly reflective diffuser underneath model's face. That way you have reflections on the nose, blinks in her yes obviously, lighter shadows.

                      What I usually do is an adjustment layer blended multiply which initially looks dull and lacks saturation and so I lower the opacity to somewhat around 50% and then create a curves adjustment with a definitive 'S curve' to give it a pop. That way I end up with deeper skin tones, rich contrast and saturation and overally more pleasing to an average viewer.

                      There's a skin color correction going on obviously to give it more tanned look, more yellowish I'd say but that is pretty common for a shot like this whereas for a fashion shoot you'd be going more towards lightly saturated reds and bronze.

                      The rest is just heavy D&B, this is too much for my taste however I do understand it's likely a beauty campaign or an editorial which looks smoother on paper due to a lack of backlight source hence the weaker whites.
                      Thanks a lot for help, I spend 12 hours on dodge and burn, clean out every single pore, and still cannot get that effect, anyway iam more focuse on skin texture, rather then skin tone...
                      I recon there is a lot of skin texture cloning, but dont know any good technics, so that why im here to looking for some PRO help...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                        Step one: don't worry about it too much. Despite what you can hear here and there it's close to impossible to replicate certain styles without having a certain raw image in the first place. Retouching it's just shuffling pixels around but you're 99% more likely to end up with a desired result if your clean image has certain characteristics in par with chosen style.

                        Try work the other way round - start with an overall feel, don't worry about the pores that much, you'll get there at some point but first - fiddle with contrast, saturation and so on. I usually do some 'prototyping' trying a few slightly different looks before I go on further and decide what I like best before I start 'pixel level' work.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                          Originally posted by buddhamonch View Post
                          Thanks a lot for help, I spend 12 hours on dodge and burn, clean out every single pore, and still cannot get that effect, anyway iam more focuse on skin texture, rather then skin tone...
                          I recon there is a lot of skin texture cloning, but dont know any good technics, so that why im here to looking for some PRO help...
                          That is a waste of time, because most of that time probably didn't do much to develop on the look of the image. There is something to also be said for accuracy in hand movement. Little things can add massive amounts of time due to the cumulative effect.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                            If you happen to know every BASIC tool photoshop has to offer, the ones that exist under Image\Adjustment, you should be able to create any look your heart desires.

                            Solid knowledge of this tools is a must, in addition to experience in color, tone and texture matching, you do this for few month, you should be able to achieve any look.

                            Before I go any further, I would like to clarify one aspect of DnB, there is Micro DB, and Macro, also known as Golbal DnB.

                            Micro DnB is used to even out skin, get rid of imperfections and fix problem areas. This one takes super long time to do, long hours, some time more than 12 hours.

                            The global or Macro DnB is very fast, few minutes if yo know what you are doing.

                            The sample picture you attached doesn't require any sort of Micro DnB. It is clean as is.

                            The style of outcome that you refereed to in the link in your very first post requires global DnB.

                            I have attached my attempt on the sample picture you attached. It was done in about 20 minutes including the required global DnB. It took me 20 minutes because I know exactly how to do it, I know every tool Photoshop has to offer, and still learning!, I also happen to be interested in color and tone matching, I know how to do it.

                            Pay attention, I keep saying "I know the tools", "I have the experience", "I know how to do it" - I can;t emphasize enough how important it is to know your tools and practice, practice and practice some more, only then, you would look at a picture and get a feel of what to do.

                            Few issues regarding my attempt:

                            1- Your sample is a finished product, it is sharpened, a lot, hence, I can't recreate or match the texture of the link of your first post. I need the raw file.

                            2- Giving the fact that your sample was taken with entirely different camera\lens setup than the ones in the link, you will end up with slightly different finish. The first set of pictures in the link all taken with the same equipment under same light setup, indoors.

                            3- there are two issues with my DnB, A) it is sloppy, I spent under 5 minutes, have I gave it solid 10 or 15 minutes, it would have been much better. B) This global DnB accentuated the pores in her face due to the fact that the picture was a finished product to start with, it is sharp as is.

                            To create my version, I used, in the following order, this adjustment layers:
                            Gradient Map for tan look, Black & White to mute the effect, curves in red and blue channels, color balance, curves for black point, curves for white point, DnB curves, color fill for background, color fill for overall mode.

                            Do not expect me to give you exact numbers, this are the ingredients not the recipe, every source picture is different, no way around this.

                            Bottom line, you have to get the color tone right, then, global DnB is the step that will tie it all up, it is the most important element.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Please help! Guys how to get that skin effect?

                              Originally posted by buddhamonch View Post
                              Here's an image, but different artist - Julia Kuzmenko, the same principe of skin retouching, i would like to know..

                              She does tutorials, no? No one can recreate in a few sentences here what she's providing hours of video on.

                              And I've never bought her videos to say if they're good or not, just glimpses a trailer or two. But it just seems axiomatic that if you want to know how she works, and she makes tutorials explaining it in excruciating detail, you invest in one.

                              There are also many inexpensive shows here by retouchers far more recognized than she:

                              http://www.retouchpro.com/index.php?page=rentals

                              See Carrie Beene, Amy Dresser, Gry Garness, Chris Tarantino, etc.

                              Don't mean to come off as gruff. Just trying to get you where you want to get in the quickest way possible.

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