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  • Self Regulating Geek Filter

    I’ve got a lot of respect for the people who have given us the software we use daily, and I realise that without scientific and mathematical knowledge we would still be scratching pictures on cave walls. But I do get a bit bored when the threads in this retouching forum are so often taken over by mathematical conversations which are of little or no relevance to the everyday practice of retouching.

    I would like to suggest the following thought -

    If you can’t explain it without resorting to mathematical terms, then it’s probably of little or no relevance to a practicing retoucher.

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    Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

    Couldn't agree more.

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    • #3
      Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

      There are lots of threads here that won't be of any interest to you. I'm sure there are threads of yours that aren't of interest to someone else. We have 100,000 registered members. Not all of them will agree on anything.

      I like the math posts. I like the retouching posts. I like the recipes and flower photos as well. You may not. That's cool. Just don't try to tell anyone else that they're posting wrong.
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      • #4
        Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

        I posted an observation, not an instruction.

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        • #5
          Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

          I'm open to suggestions if you have ideas on how we can both maintain our welcoming and nurturing core values and still keep the signal-to-noise ratio manageable.

          I've often thought about splitting up the retouching forum into beginner/advanced, or hobby/pro but that wouldn't really address your particular issue.

          I didn't mean to seem like I was shutting you down, I just want to make sure no one else feels that way.
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          • #6
            Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

            I think it's just a question of balance, which was the reason for my initial comment. It is a primarily a retouching forum after all.

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            • #7
              Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

              It's not really that simple. I interact with more retouchers than probably most do. Even at the highly-paid fulltime pro level I run into retouchers that think in terms of ink, or that dodge and burn with the actual dodge and burn brush. The spectrum is wonderfully wide.

              It's a big old world out there. We just need to think of a way to accommodate it in here.
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              • #8
                Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                Originally posted by AKMac View Post
                If you can’t explain it without resorting to mathematical terms, then it’s probably of little or no relevance to a practicing retoucher.
                As someone who admittedly is mathematically challenged but called a geek, what is or isn't considered a mathematical term?

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                • #9
                  Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                  Good question.

                  And I would also like to know how I (literally, me) could objectively determine if someone is a practicing retoucher. That sounds flip, I know, but I am dead serious. I have possible solutions in mind if that can be determined.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                    For me, anything beyond arithmetic is mathematical and usually obscure.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                      Originally posted by AKMac View Post
                      For me, anything beyond arithmetic is mathematical and usually obscure.
                      Me too. But I don't recall seeing much if any arithmetic around these parts. I have seen discussions that seem geeky without the math.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                        I'm not suggesting anything is broken or needs fixed. This is THE top forum for retouchers and there are always vibrant and informed discussions going on. I just feel at times that there's a tendency for things to drift into the realms of abstract/theoretical/mathematical, and I wanted to suggest that those contributors with a high level of specialist knowledge should bear that in mind and maybe try to use terms that are more accessible.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                          Originally posted by AKMac View Post
                          I just feel at times that there's a tendency for things to drift into the realms of abstract/theoretical/mathematical, and I wanted to suggest that those contributors with a high level of specialist knowledge should bear that in mind and maybe try to use terms that are more accessible.
                          Dually noted. Let me suggest that none of this is something we are born with, we all have to struggle to learn terminology be it abstract, theoretical, and/or practical. I didn't know what a clone tool was prior to 1990 any more than what chromaticity or gamut means later on. If something is discussed that doesn't make sense, ask the person to clearly the point or ignore it. Some terms can't be made more accessible but they can be clearly defined.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                            Originally posted by AKMac View Post
                            I'm not suggesting anything is broken or needs fixed. This is THE top forum for retouchers and there are always vibrant and informed discussions going on. I just feel at times that there's a tendency for things to drift into the realms of abstract/theoretical/mathematical, and I wanted to suggest that those contributors with a high level of specialist knowledge should bear that in mind and maybe try to use terms that are more accessible.
                            That would probably kill about half my posts. I actually started making more technical replies to clear up misconceptions though. Some people treat intuitive descriptions as definitions, which leads to bad advice. I don't really post anything too complicated in here. The most I've done is include a link to wiki or wolfram alpha.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Self Regulating Geek Filter

                              Originally posted by AKMac View Post
                              For me, anything beyond arithmetic is mathematical and usually obscure.


                              Well, for me, a big red light started flashing when I saw the word quantization.

                              "Sorry boss, couldn't get that work out. Too busy doing the quantization for the LUTs I was making."

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