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  • Windows 10 Standard color issue

    Hello,

    Now I use windows 10 finally. I switched from win 7.
    I installed PS + LR and because I previously saved the settings everything was the same as in Win7. I work with Adobe RGB 1998 color profile in PS and LR and my OS color profile is also Adobe RGB. In Win7 every application (PS, LR, browsers, even the windows image viewer) showed the same result.

    Now Win10 shows different colors. Only PS, LR and chrome show the proper? result. The Win7 even 3rd party applications like xnview show reddish color.
    I found that how to enable the old windows image viewer too and in that the photos wasn't reddish.
    I'm not sure what is going on.
    I tried to calibrate my display in Win10 too but after that EVERY application showed the reddish color.

    I attached print screens.
    The first one is when LR, PS and chrome show the same result as Win7.
    The 2nd one when everything is reddish. This time I used the display calibration in Win10.

    1st
    http://i.imgur.com/GbteOPH.jpg
    2nd
    http://i.imgur.com/RekxAvR.jpg

  • #2
    Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

    A well known Windows issue, and the only solution I know of is to use a preview application that can actually display embedded profiles. Also, Chrome is not to be used for color critical work, it's a web browser.

    Windows> Engineering
    OSX> Graphic work

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    • #3
      Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

      Originally posted by skoobey View Post
      A well known Windows issue, and the only solution I know of is to use a preview application that can actually display embedded profiles. Also, Chrome is not to be used for color critical work, it's a web browser.

      Windows> Engineering
      OSX> Graphic work
      Nonsense - please provide objective proof of a 'well known Windows issue' ??

      testerke, Windows 10 is just as well colour managed as previous versions so your problem is not with Windows as such as far as I can tell. There is either something wrong with your monitor profile or more likely you are using the wrong one or none at all.

      It is not clear from your screenshot how you have set up Windows Colour Management but you should have a screen similar to the attached.

      You will note that the display must be recognised and the Use my settings for this device ticked.
      My example shows several profiles from the i1 Display Pro, but you will see that CS240 110cd... is the default. If your screen not similar please post a screenshot.

      You should also check that any application you use including web browsers are fully colour managed and that you have enabled management

      EDIT:
      I work with Adobe RGB 1998 color profile in PS and LR and my OS color profile is also Adobe RGB
      This needs some clarification because
      a. You can set your working space to Adobe RGB in PS but you cannot in LR as it uses its own based on ProPhoto coordinates.
      b. OS colour profile should not be anything other than the profile that you made for your monitor with your calibration tools - you should not set monitor profile to anything else particularly working spaces such as Adobe RGB, sRGB
      Attached Files
      Last edited by Tony W; 04-20-2016, 10:29 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

        Issue is regarding the Windows preview function in explorer and the Image viewer. Of course you can calibrate the display, it's certain built in Windows functions themselves that suck regardless. You can install additional apps, but on a Mac you don't need to.

        Chrome thing is unrelated. EDIT: Make sure you check "embed profile" when saving for web.

        Originally posted by Tony W View Post
        EDIT:This needs some clarification because
        a. You can set your working space to Adobe RGB in PS but you cannot in LR as it uses its own based on ProPhoto coordinates.
        b. OS colour profile should not be anything other than the profile that you made for your monitor with your calibration tools - you should not set monitor profile to anything else particularly working spaces such as Adobe RGB, sRGB
        THIS is correct.

        Also, Tony, are you a Windows user? I was wondering about the gray application frame in PS, as I never found a way to hide it(it's under Window>Application frame on OSX)?

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        • #5
          Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

          Thank you the answers guys.
          I attached the screenshot to show you my settings.
          Unfortunately I couldn't afford any monitor calibration tools after I bought the PS + LR. It was way too expensive in my country. That's why I used the built in tool (suck I know).
          I used the color settings, exports and everything else exactly as I learned.

          Maybe I screwed up something...

          http://i.imgur.com/KfxyWqN.jpg

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          • #6
            Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

            Your settings are incorrect.

            Image bottom right 'monitor' Devices tab.

            This shows just as a generic monitor with AMD card. But as you have not calibrated and produced a profile you should not tick the box use my settings.

            As it is you are being screwed by telling the OS to use your settings then setting Adobe RGB. Adobe RGB is a synthetic colour space used as a working space for editing not therefore not the required profile
            that describes your monitor conditions. Untick the box

            If you want you can try the inaccurate profile produced by you tweaking the values in Colour Management. I think you already have that as the second entry sRGB display profile ...CalibratedDisplay...icc
            second entry.

            Similarly in the top right image 'monitor' your device profile is not Adobe RGB but the profile you produce above

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            • #7
              Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

              Originally posted by skoobey View Post
              Also, Tony, are you a Windows user? I was wondering about the gray application frame in PS, as I never found a way to hide it(it's under Window>Application frame on OSX)?
              Yes I am mainly PC user although I do have an iMac on my desktop - just for web browsing and as a CD player

              I do not have PS on the Mac so am unsure what the Application frame does. You cannot hide the frame exactly but you can use Tab to maximise the application window and hide the dialogue boxes - Tab once again to reveal

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              • #8
                Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                I unchecked the box in the past but in that case everything was reddish.
                No matter I unchecked again.
                I did some research on the web and found an icc profile for my monitor.

                X-Rite i1Display 2
                Maximum: 246 cd/m² Average: 233 cd/m²
                Brightness Distribution: 86 %
                Contrast: 163:1 (Black: 1.5 cd/m²)
                ICC File (X-Rite i1Display 2)

                Can I use this? or it's not accurate in this way?
                Last edited by testerke; 04-20-2016, 01:53 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                  What you have posted is not an ICC profile it appears to be a monitor spec. At least quoting a Max 246 cd/m2. Way too high for photo editing IMO

                  You may do better to go to monitor manufactured website and download all support files. If lucky you may get a generic profile that describes the average monitor from your range
                  Edit:
                  To see how a monitor should look run the tests panels in the link and take note of what you should be seeing
                  http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
                  Last edited by Tony W; 04-20-2016, 02:42 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                    Originally posted by Tony W View Post
                    Yes I am mainly PC user although I do have an iMac on my desktop - just for web browsing and as a CD player

                    I do not have PS on the Mac so am unsure what the Application frame does. You cannot hide the frame exactly but you can use Tab to maximise the application window and hide the dialogue boxes - Tab once again to reveal
                    It's this huge gray box covering the desktop. On a mac, you can turn it off, and just click and drag things to PS to import, but on a pc, you have to minimize the entire program, or go open up explorer, and drag from there, kinda tedious.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                      You can click and drag to open just the same in Windows.

                      Just click and hold your image file and drop it onto PS icon or if application open into the app. window.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                        To Tony:I know but you can't do it from the desktop while in PS, as your desktop view is being obstructed by the application frame. Just one of those things that are a habit more then a must have feature.

                        To OP: I know people that calibrate monitors for a small fee, so you can just find a guy who can do that for you (like in a PC service center, you will need to carry your machine over there). Things change over time, but having colors set in the first place will make your life a lot easier.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                          Originally posted by testerke View Post
                          Now Win10 shows different colors. Only PS, LR and chrome show the proper? result. The Win7 even 3rd party applications like xnview show reddish color.
                          Real simple. Many products are not color managed and don't match those that are (Photoshop, LR and I assume because I don't use it, Chrome). PS and LR are correct; anything that doesn't match isn't.

                          It's outlined elsewhere so just read this and come back with questions:

                          http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57602636
                          http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57615741

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                          • #14
                            Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                            Originally posted by skoobey View Post
                            It's this huge gray box covering the desktop. On a mac, you can turn it off, and just click and drag things to PS to import, but on a pc, you have to minimize the entire program . . .
                            That's where the term "Windows" comes from. Two different design perspectives.

                            I use the toolbar to open windows to drag from, not that cumbersome once you get use to it.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Windows 10 Standard color issue

                              Originally posted by skoobey View Post
                              A well known Windows issue, and the only solution I know of is to use a preview application that can actually display embedded profiles. Also, Chrome is not to be used for color critical work, it's a web browser.

                              Windows> Engineering
                              OSX> Graphic work
                              Things break under OSX as well, and I don't really agree that OSX does a better job at system level color management these days. I've used macs since the G3 era, and they have their own issues. If I stopped using a Mac and could do without Adobe, I would use Linux, probably debian. Windows is annoying.

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