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By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 07:36 am:
Thinking that my skill level was not advanced enough, or that my version (5.0.2) of Photoshop was not current enough to justify buying the book was completely wrong. IMHO, this book is truly *GREAT*! It is written in a way that the reader can follow the techniques (tutorials) easily. For me it is a tool for learning, and after going through the second chapter, I think I have gotten my money's worth ($40.00 at Amazon.com). If you have considered buying it, but have an older version of Photoshop, don't let that stop you unless it is an earlier version than 4.0. There is so much information, that I really can't say enough about the book. It's as though the book was written with me in mind . Now that I have the book, I need to get that information into my brain (that's the hard part), and that's going to take a while.
By Peter Glynn (pglynn) on Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 09:01 am:
i think the book is brilliant as a beginner retoration and retouching it taught me alot i am hoping she brings a video out to follow the book so we can follow along with her and see how the proffessionals work J so tell me if you think that would be a good idea
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 01:09 pm:
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a video. I think the book tells me what I need to know. There's so much information that I'm not quite half way through it yet because I'm trying to get comfortable with the techniques in each chapter before going on. The tools are in the book. It's just getting the tools into my head that takes time .
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 12:13 pm:
i, too, felt the book had paid for itself within the first few chapters. I really regretted not getting it sooner, it made me realize some bad habits have become entrenched and some good not developed. i guess that's what learning is, undoing the former and planting the latter.
coincidentally, i come here today from the Adobe PS forums, where i have just posted a question re good habits - what are yours, teach me please. I read somewhere that it is considered bad form to post the same question on more than one forum, but i guess that is what i am doing. (but admitting it up front) ; >
i have ps 5.5, ed, and agree that it was not much of an obstacle. although the picture of the cowboy - copying the lightness channel was not clear to me and i think it may be related to having <6; maybe not. what say you?
peter, i can see where a video could be useful if your setup is such that you can play it and work simultaneously; not having this, i would not buy. I have enjoyed and benefitted from deke mclelland's tutorial clips available at the adobe site; however, in my neck of the woods they take forever to download.
unrelatedly, i wonder if anyone else has found themselves bemused, unsettled,etc. when, e.g., looking in the mirror. this feeling, "there's something i could do about that" . . . then realizing "it's photoshop", doesn't work on real skin, just pixel skin. this can be applied to any task that has visual aspect, cleaning the house, painting the house, planting the flower bed, but i experience it most often encountering the woman in the mirror.
would that all life's problem's were so readily solved, even if the learning curve is steep. : )
kathleen
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 07:12 am:
Hi Kathleen,
I haven't got that far into the book yet, but I did have a look at the technique. The problem seems to be that you can't keep both windows open for the channels (one for each image) at the same time. I just wrote to Katrin, hoping she could shed some light on this. I'll let you know if I get an answer.
As far as my good habits, I'm not sure I have any. But I sure have a lot of the other kind .
Ed
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 10:58 am:
Kathleen,
Try this: Open the cowboy file
Image/Duplicate
Image/Mode/Lab Color
Click on lightness channel
Target the RGB file
click on the blue channel
Edit/Paste
By paulette conlan on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 06:32 pm:
I have also being having a tough time with the cowboy picture but I think I have it now.When I followed the technique in the book, after I dragged the lightness channel to replace the damaged blue channel I keep winding up with an alpha channel that wasn't helping the matter. Anyway, I used your above suggestion but with two changes and it works. After you click on the lightness channel select the entire lightness layer and then Edit>Cut. The rest is the same as above.Looking forward to continuing the chapter. Paulette
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 11:31 pm:
gee, i thought i posted days ago a thank you to ed on the above tip, but i guess i didn't. so now i am. it worked :-] thanks much. i had the same thing happen as you did initially paulette. and i appreciated your query elsewhere re channnels, a great mystery to me as well. i've learned from the links in answer to your question i have had the chance to follow. i'm contemplating buying that channel chops book next.
kc
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 06:00 am:
Glad to pass the information along. I wrote to Katrin, and within an hour or so, she replied. She seems to be willing to help, but told me that she is not always available due to scheduled speeches and other commitments. During those times, it might take a while to get a reply. But it sure is good to know that if you have a problem, she's there for you. I haven't been doing any of the challenges lately because I've been working on her tutorials, and I just bought a new scanner, then downloaded the Viewscan software. Learning how to use it is another learning curve (although not too bad).
Ed
By paulette conlan on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 09:02 am:
Kathleen-
What is the channel chop book? Haven't heard of it. Need all the help I can get with channels and masks!
Ed-
Challenge#7 is what made me realize that I really must learn how to use channels.I am in awe of some of the work that was submitted.I'm going to get back to the Eismann book and just stick with that for awhile instead of jumping around all over the place.My objective is to master one new procedure a day.Incidentally I saw the new book that Scott Kelby has out on photo retouching and after browsing through it for awhile at B&N I decided that it wasn't worth my buying at this time. It basically duplicates his training videos which I saw when I took a PS5.5 class last Fall.Incidentally, I would advise everyone to check out their local community college to see if they offer Photoshop.
PC
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:08 pm:
hey paulette,
well you gave me another learning op; tried to make a hyperlink in the test section, but it told me i didn't have enough "arguments". there are several people in my life who might not believe that message. : ) (turns out, she doesn't even know what an argument is, can you believe it?)
anyway, i guess you can copy and paste this:
if i'm not mistaken, i think doug mentioned somewhere in these pages that it had been extrememly helpful to him; my only concern would be it might be too sophisticated for me skill level, but reachin's good.
there used to be a pretty thorough PS online course @ a site called code warrior; it seems to have disappeared, (the ps classes, not the site) but those guys recommended it too.
hmmph. would you looka there, it turned into a hyperlink without my intervention. if you get it, (the book) let us hear what you think.
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:17 pm:
paulette,
i just realized i didn't tell you the book's name - it's photoshop channel chops by david biedny et al.
best regards.
kc
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 01:10 pm:
Hi Paulette,
Yeah, I need to know about working with channels too. There is some information in Katrin's book about it, but once again, I haven't had the chance to try it yet. I guess the more you know, the more you realize you really don't know much at all. And if you can master one technique a day, good for you. I'm shooting for a new technique every year or two. .
Ed
By paulette conlan on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 12:12 pm:
Hi
I don't know how to do a hyperlink either-another thing to learn! Anyway here's the url of a PS tutorial that I've gotten some good stuff from. It's http://graphicssoft.about.com/librar.../bllps5out.htm There's alot of good information on that link. Another place to go to is www.Barnes&NobleUniversity.com They've been offering online tutorials in photoshop also. I'm going to see what I can find out about channel chops now. Thanks.
Paulette
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 05:10 pm:
Thanks for the tip Paulette. I'll check it out.
Ed
By paulette conlan on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 03:43 pm:
Hi
Looked into the Channel Chop book on the Amazon site and after reading the reviews I'm not certain how helpful it will be right now. For one thing the copyright is 1998 and it's based on PS5.Maybe I'm wrong but with each upgrade there seem to be easier ways to skin the cat so to speak. Anyway, there was a book in my library that I brought home the other day.It's called Photo Retouching with Adobe Photshop by Gwen Lute. In one chapter the author shows how to repair the photo of a woman with bruises on her face. What she does is change the mode to CMYK and then takes each channel and with the clone tool set at 50 opacity cleans up the image.Will have to give it a try.
Paulette
By Alan Rubin (airubin) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:28 pm:
Hi
I started working through Katrin’s book about two weeks ago. I had just started using levels to a much greater degree than I had in the past, but the curves are new to me.
I find the book very helpful, even at my low level of experience. I am just finishing chapter 3, but I find that it is helpful to repeat the examples several times.
I am not sure that the problem is not just me, but I have not been able to get the same shape curves and resulting image in some of the examples. It is possible that I am not starting off correctly.
I would like to see, at least through chapter 3, more details in the steps that Katrin used in the image. She is assuming that the reader knows the proper steps to starting the curve procedure. I would find the greater detail in the early chapters very helpful.
Alan
By DJ Dubovsky on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 06:09 pm:
Hi
I just got the Katrin Eismann book and am half way through it and already it is my photo restoration BIBLE. Excellent techniques and so many easy ways to do things I have been doing the HARD way. I just love it. I can't wait til she writes more. There is definately alot of info for the buck in this book.
To Paulette
I have the book you mentioned by Lute and I remember trying that method of cleaning up the burised ladys face. It was alot harder than she made it seem. I didn't get nearly as clean a face as the book did. I scanned the picture in the book and tried working on the same photo. Have you tried it yet and if so hope yours turned out better than mine. I did find that CYMK technique useful in eliminating blotchy yellow discoloration from a photo I did. There were some good techniques in that book. Another good book if you can find it is Photoshop Magic Expert Edition by Brendon Perkins. Don't let the expert edition scare you, it's got alot of great techniques but he walks you through each step with lots of examples. In a few of the lessons you turn day scenes into lighted night scenes. I got alot out of it. Good luck
DJ
Thinking that my skill level was not advanced enough, or that my version (5.0.2) of Photoshop was not current enough to justify buying the book was completely wrong. IMHO, this book is truly *GREAT*! It is written in a way that the reader can follow the techniques (tutorials) easily. For me it is a tool for learning, and after going through the second chapter, I think I have gotten my money's worth ($40.00 at Amazon.com). If you have considered buying it, but have an older version of Photoshop, don't let that stop you unless it is an earlier version than 4.0. There is so much information, that I really can't say enough about the book. It's as though the book was written with me in mind . Now that I have the book, I need to get that information into my brain (that's the hard part), and that's going to take a while.
By Peter Glynn (pglynn) on Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 09:01 am:
i think the book is brilliant as a beginner retoration and retouching it taught me alot i am hoping she brings a video out to follow the book so we can follow along with her and see how the proffessionals work J so tell me if you think that would be a good idea
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Sunday, July 08, 2001 - 01:09 pm:
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in a video. I think the book tells me what I need to know. There's so much information that I'm not quite half way through it yet because I'm trying to get comfortable with the techniques in each chapter before going on. The tools are in the book. It's just getting the tools into my head that takes time .
Ed
By kathleen on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 12:13 pm:
i, too, felt the book had paid for itself within the first few chapters. I really regretted not getting it sooner, it made me realize some bad habits have become entrenched and some good not developed. i guess that's what learning is, undoing the former and planting the latter.
coincidentally, i come here today from the Adobe PS forums, where i have just posted a question re good habits - what are yours, teach me please. I read somewhere that it is considered bad form to post the same question on more than one forum, but i guess that is what i am doing. (but admitting it up front) ; >
i have ps 5.5, ed, and agree that it was not much of an obstacle. although the picture of the cowboy - copying the lightness channel was not clear to me and i think it may be related to having <6; maybe not. what say you?
peter, i can see where a video could be useful if your setup is such that you can play it and work simultaneously; not having this, i would not buy. I have enjoyed and benefitted from deke mclelland's tutorial clips available at the adobe site; however, in my neck of the woods they take forever to download.
unrelatedly, i wonder if anyone else has found themselves bemused, unsettled,etc. when, e.g., looking in the mirror. this feeling, "there's something i could do about that" . . . then realizing "it's photoshop", doesn't work on real skin, just pixel skin. this can be applied to any task that has visual aspect, cleaning the house, painting the house, planting the flower bed, but i experience it most often encountering the woman in the mirror.
would that all life's problem's were so readily solved, even if the learning curve is steep. : )
kathleen
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 07:12 am:
Hi Kathleen,
I haven't got that far into the book yet, but I did have a look at the technique. The problem seems to be that you can't keep both windows open for the channels (one for each image) at the same time. I just wrote to Katrin, hoping she could shed some light on this. I'll let you know if I get an answer.
As far as my good habits, I'm not sure I have any. But I sure have a lot of the other kind .
Ed
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 10:58 am:
Kathleen,
Try this: Open the cowboy file
Image/Duplicate
Image/Mode/Lab Color
Click on lightness channel
Target the RGB file
click on the blue channel
Edit/Paste
By paulette conlan on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 06:32 pm:
I have also being having a tough time with the cowboy picture but I think I have it now.When I followed the technique in the book, after I dragged the lightness channel to replace the damaged blue channel I keep winding up with an alpha channel that wasn't helping the matter. Anyway, I used your above suggestion but with two changes and it works. After you click on the lightness channel select the entire lightness layer and then Edit>Cut. The rest is the same as above.Looking forward to continuing the chapter. Paulette
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 11:31 pm:
gee, i thought i posted days ago a thank you to ed on the above tip, but i guess i didn't. so now i am. it worked :-] thanks much. i had the same thing happen as you did initially paulette. and i appreciated your query elsewhere re channnels, a great mystery to me as well. i've learned from the links in answer to your question i have had the chance to follow. i'm contemplating buying that channel chops book next.
kc
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 06:00 am:
Glad to pass the information along. I wrote to Katrin, and within an hour or so, she replied. She seems to be willing to help, but told me that she is not always available due to scheduled speeches and other commitments. During those times, it might take a while to get a reply. But it sure is good to know that if you have a problem, she's there for you. I haven't been doing any of the challenges lately because I've been working on her tutorials, and I just bought a new scanner, then downloaded the Viewscan software. Learning how to use it is another learning curve (although not too bad).
Ed
By paulette conlan on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 09:02 am:
Kathleen-
What is the channel chop book? Haven't heard of it. Need all the help I can get with channels and masks!
Ed-
Challenge#7 is what made me realize that I really must learn how to use channels.I am in awe of some of the work that was submitted.I'm going to get back to the Eismann book and just stick with that for awhile instead of jumping around all over the place.My objective is to master one new procedure a day.Incidentally I saw the new book that Scott Kelby has out on photo retouching and after browsing through it for awhile at B&N I decided that it wasn't worth my buying at this time. It basically duplicates his training videos which I saw when I took a PS5.5 class last Fall.Incidentally, I would advise everyone to check out their local community college to see if they offer Photoshop.
PC
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:08 pm:
hey paulette,
well you gave me another learning op; tried to make a hyperlink in the test section, but it told me i didn't have enough "arguments". there are several people in my life who might not believe that message. : ) (turns out, she doesn't even know what an argument is, can you believe it?)
anyway, i guess you can copy and paste this:
if i'm not mistaken, i think doug mentioned somewhere in these pages that it had been extrememly helpful to him; my only concern would be it might be too sophisticated for me skill level, but reachin's good.
there used to be a pretty thorough PS online course @ a site called code warrior; it seems to have disappeared, (the ps classes, not the site) but those guys recommended it too.
hmmph. would you looka there, it turned into a hyperlink without my intervention. if you get it, (the book) let us hear what you think.
By kathleen crimm (kathleen) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 12:17 pm:
paulette,
i just realized i didn't tell you the book's name - it's photoshop channel chops by david biedny et al.
best regards.
kc
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 01:10 pm:
Hi Paulette,
Yeah, I need to know about working with channels too. There is some information in Katrin's book about it, but once again, I haven't had the chance to try it yet. I guess the more you know, the more you realize you really don't know much at all. And if you can master one technique a day, good for you. I'm shooting for a new technique every year or two. .
Ed
By paulette conlan on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 12:12 pm:
Hi
I don't know how to do a hyperlink either-another thing to learn! Anyway here's the url of a PS tutorial that I've gotten some good stuff from. It's http://graphicssoft.about.com/librar.../bllps5out.htm There's alot of good information on that link. Another place to go to is www.Barnes&NobleUniversity.com They've been offering online tutorials in photoshop also. I'm going to see what I can find out about channel chops now. Thanks.
Paulette
By Ed Ladendorf (ed) on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 05:10 pm:
Thanks for the tip Paulette. I'll check it out.
Ed
By paulette conlan on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 03:43 pm:
Hi
Looked into the Channel Chop book on the Amazon site and after reading the reviews I'm not certain how helpful it will be right now. For one thing the copyright is 1998 and it's based on PS5.Maybe I'm wrong but with each upgrade there seem to be easier ways to skin the cat so to speak. Anyway, there was a book in my library that I brought home the other day.It's called Photo Retouching with Adobe Photshop by Gwen Lute. In one chapter the author shows how to repair the photo of a woman with bruises on her face. What she does is change the mode to CMYK and then takes each channel and with the clone tool set at 50 opacity cleans up the image.Will have to give it a try.
Paulette
By Alan Rubin (airubin) on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 03:28 pm:
Hi
I started working through Katrin’s book about two weeks ago. I had just started using levels to a much greater degree than I had in the past, but the curves are new to me.
I find the book very helpful, even at my low level of experience. I am just finishing chapter 3, but I find that it is helpful to repeat the examples several times.
I am not sure that the problem is not just me, but I have not been able to get the same shape curves and resulting image in some of the examples. It is possible that I am not starting off correctly.
I would like to see, at least through chapter 3, more details in the steps that Katrin used in the image. She is assuming that the reader knows the proper steps to starting the curve procedure. I would find the greater detail in the early chapters very helpful.
Alan
By DJ Dubovsky on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 06:09 pm:
Hi
I just got the Katrin Eismann book and am half way through it and already it is my photo restoration BIBLE. Excellent techniques and so many easy ways to do things I have been doing the HARD way. I just love it. I can't wait til she writes more. There is definately alot of info for the buck in this book.
To Paulette
I have the book you mentioned by Lute and I remember trying that method of cleaning up the burised ladys face. It was alot harder than she made it seem. I didn't get nearly as clean a face as the book did. I scanned the picture in the book and tried working on the same photo. Have you tried it yet and if so hope yours turned out better than mine. I did find that CYMK technique useful in eliminating blotchy yellow discoloration from a photo I did. There were some good techniques in that book. Another good book if you can find it is Photoshop Magic Expert Edition by Brendon Perkins. Don't let the expert edition scare you, it's got alot of great techniques but he walks you through each step with lots of examples. In a few of the lessons you turn day scenes into lighted night scenes. I got alot out of it. Good luck
DJ