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    Please consider signing this petition to Adobe:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/ado...cription-model

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    Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

    Jose, do not think that anyone ignoring you here. I am fairly sure that those opposed to the Adobe move will have done this. Last time I looked there were 3,000 signatures today more than 7,000. Good that you flagged it up for anyone that missed it and feels strongly enough to lend a voice. Hope that Adobe may take notice and action

    There is also a PS blog by Jeffrey Tranberry Chief Customer Advocate Adobe who appears to be listening and replying to customer concerns put your case forward with an email?
    http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotc...#comment-41561
    Last edited by Tony W; 05-11-2013, 12:15 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

      I just saw a new initiative by Corey Edwards who just started a petition to the White House to denounce Adobe´s monopoly practices. This is another avenue to show our displeasure:
      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ption/TfWzqjHQ

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      • #4
        Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

        And another interesting link:

        http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/...agreement.html

        So, we will pay to Adobe for subscription to their CC and they will make money from our own content???

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        17. Advertising and Your Content.

        You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation.

        The manner, mode, and extent of advertising or other revenue generating models pursued by Adobe on or in conjunction with the Services and/or Your Content are subject to change without specific notice to you.
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        • #5
          Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

          Jose thanks for the link.

          Not sure how this one can actually think it can fly?
          What proof is offered of hostile takeovers, backroom deals and predatory pricing other than seemingly irrational ranting?

          As to a monopoly, well as far as I know it is not Adobe's fault that there are no serious challengers if others decided to drop the ball? Adobe pricing for product has been rather high IMO therefore it should have opened the floodgates for other hungry app developers - this has not happened so far. Might as well suggest once again taking MS to task for the Windows monopoly and Apple for the Mac monopoly :-)

          Cannot see that Adobe is abusing anyone, as an existing user you are not being forced into change so you either reject the new model and stay where you are or move to another app.

          The file formats argument is flawed as you only loose the ability to edit and possibly open if you use the new features without regard for the possible need of stepping back to earlier versions for whatever reasons

          creativeretouch, I can see the concerns and I am certainly no expert with legal knowledge. Surely there must be a legal mechanism to ensure that both parties are protected from abuse of rights? I find it hard to imagine that the Adobe contract is likely to abuse those rights

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          • #6
            Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

            How many of you upset with Adobe's EULA own Photoshop and read and agreed to it in the past? Just asking. And let's substitute Adobe above with the myriad of other software products on your computers? And let's substitute computers with other service agreements (cell, ISP, Netflix or Cable etc)?

            Just asking...

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            • #7
              Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

              Originally posted by andrewrodney View Post
              How many of you upset with Adobe's EULA own Photoshop and read and agreed to it in the past? Just asking. And let's substitute Adobe above with the myriad of other software products on your computers? And let's substitute computers with other service agreements (cell, ISP, Netflix or Cable etc)?

              Just asking...
              Yes, but in the past Adobe did not behave this way … What is going to happen tomorrow?

              Edit:

              We did not store our work on the claud in the past. So Adobe could not reach it anyway. But if you will store your work "On the Claud" you are putting yourself into very dangerous position with this kind of EULA ...

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              Last edited by creativeretouch; 05-13-2013, 11:23 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

                Originally posted by andrewrodney View Post
                How many of you upset with Adobe's EULA own Photoshop and read and agreed to it in the past? Just asking. And let's substitute Adobe above with the myriad of other software products on your computers? And let's substitute computers with other service agreements (cell, ISP, Netflix or Cable etc)?





                Just asking...
                You're right, but unfortunately companies as a corporate community have put people into a position of either :
                • Agreeing wholesale to a contract containing unreasonable terms that companies don't have to and are unwilling to negotiate with any individual who finds legitimate fault with the contract, or,
                • One has to stay off of many of the most popular internet sites, never join the most popular internet community or social sites, never use any non-GPL software and overall live like a Luddite. Or you have to write all of your own software packages (e.g. Creative Suite) plus develop all your own internet sites (e.g. Facebook, Instagram).
                It's a no-win situation for the individual if the company chooses to behave badly. The damage from all these agreements is collective because almost every company does them this way.

                What happens is that in most cases companies, even when they have hostile contract conditions, don't enforce the worst of the conditions, they're mostly just protecting their own interests from a small number of lawsuit-happy customers.

                But when the companies start taking advantage of people by writing nasty terms into the contracts that people can't negotiate out on a 1-1 basis, and start mis-using those clauses in ways that take advantage of their corporate power and contract technicalities then it gets abusive.

                And thankfully there is legal precedent for bringing action against powerful and/or monopolistic companies, although it's very expensive and requires a LOT of people to suffer a LOT of loss and other pain before it gets fixed (or partially fixed).
                Last edited by RobertAsh; 05-15-2013, 01:21 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

                  Imagine this situation - you are working for a "Big Brand Client." You have several computers, so you decided to store your work on the cloud. Someone at Adobe's headquarters is going to get an Idea: "What a nice image! And it is completly free to use for us!" And Adobe will use your work with their logo beside as you allready signed their EULA ...

                  What is your client going to do?

                  Better to get a lawyer for yourself in that case and you are going to loose for sure. Not Adobe … And your business is done … And you own a lot of money to your "Big Brand Client."

                  Thank you, Adobe!

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                  Last edited by creativeretouch; 05-15-2013, 12:11 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

                    Would you believe that this is happening to Adobe right now???

                    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1203580?start=0&tstart=0

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                    • #11
                      Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

                      Originally posted by Jose Urena View Post
                      I just saw a new initiative by Corey Edwards who just started a petition to the White House to denounce Adobe´s monopoly practices.
                      I think that's the last place we should be appealing to right now... They're currently a bit preoccupied with multiple serious accusations of scandalous behavior that make Adobe look like Good Guys.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Please consider signing this petition to Adobe

                        This is not the White House's direct responsibility. The Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department would be the parties to contact.

                        Also, as much as most of us dislike Adobe's decision, this is not enough of an impact on enough of the American people to warrant White House attention. Or monopoly investigations by the Justice Department. For instance, cable companies are much worse offenders for the average person and there are fewer viable alternatives to cable than we have alternatives to Adobe products. Not to mention issues like the scandals on Wall Street and a still-obstructionist Congress. And now the IRS.

                        Basically, starting in the early 1980s corporations gained significant power they hadn't had in quite some time. That accelerated in the early 2000s and it will take a lot of suffering from a lot people to change it more to the pre-1980 power that consumers and small operators had that's been largely if not completely lost. Adobe is knowingly or unknowingly taking advantage of this sea change, and it's likely that it will take market forces (or lots of petitions) and voting with wallets to change their decision.
                        Last edited by RobertAsh; 05-20-2013, 11:48 AM.

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