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  • #16
    Cool! I thought I was going crazy trying to make that darn Commit Mode 2 fill layer turn gray. I believed that maybe I had inadvertently changed some of my defaults. Thanks for the help on answering question #3.

    Still wondering about why the Mask Layer and the Commit Mode 2 Layer combine into one if I leave the Mask Layer active when I create the "Commit Mode 2" layer. What causes this to happen?

    Is this the proper order for the layers after step #5 (top to bottom) Saturated Color Layer, Commit Mode 1, Commit Mode 2, Mask and Backround Layer? I don't really understand what step #6 is saying by "There are two changes to commit using layer modes, and this upper layer will be the first in line."

    Does it change anything when I simplify the "Commit Mode 1" and "Commit Mode 2" layers before merging? I couldn't get it to work without this extra step.

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    • #17
      "Still wondering about why the Mask Layer and the Commit Mode 2 Layer combine into one if I leave the Mask Layer active when I create the "Commit Mode 2" layer. What causes this to happen?"

      How are you creating the other layer? This is not a behavior that I can duplicate.

      "Is this the proper order for the layers after step #5 (top to bottom) Saturated Color Layer, Commit Mode 1, Commit Mode 2, Mask and Backround Layer?"

      Yes. If you have the free power tools
      you can run through the process in slow motion by changing action speed to step-by-step or slower and clicking the Saturation Mask tool. It will run through all the steps in the correct order.

      "I don't really understand what step #6 is saying by "There are two changes to commit using layer modes, and this upper layer will be the first in line."

      You are going to commit mode changes. When you assign a mode to a layer, the change is only visual. To make the change permanent, you have to merge the layer with another one.

      "Does it change anything when I simplify the "Commit Mode 1" and "Commit Mode 2" layers before merging?"

      There shouldn't be the opportunity to simplify these, unless you are making a solid fill layer....which should work the same simplifying before or not. I just did it and am unable to duplicate your results.

      If you are having a lot of erratic behavior, you might want to chuck your preferences.

      That help?

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      • #18
        These are the steps I'm using to create the layers:

        1. Open "bottle psd"

        2. Layer>Duplicate Layer "Saturated Colors"

        3. Activate Backround Layer (by highlighting)

        4. Layer>New>Layer "Mask"

        5. Leaving "Mask" as active layer: Layer>New Fill Layer>Solid Color "Commit Mode 2". Color picker opens: 50% B (H/S 0%)>OK. Now, in the Layers Palette, I have one line called "Mask". It contains two thumnails: 1 gray square that looks like a levels adjustment linked to 1 white square.

        6. The layers are from top to bottom: Saturated Colors, Mask and Backround Layer. There is no Commit Mode 2. Now if I look in the undo history palette it shows: a new layer was created AND it also shows a new fill layer was created. So for some unknown reason the program is combining the two, why... I don't know?

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        • #19
          How I get around the above problem:

          1. Activate the Backround Layer Layer>New Fill Layer > Solid Color name the layer "Commit Mode 2". Color Picker opens, 50%B 0%H/S. Accept Layer. These steps create the "Commit Mode 2" Layer, but the layer line still contains two thumbnails: a gray levels one linked to a white square. The new order of the layers are bottom to top: Backround Layer, Commit Mode 2, Mask and Saturated Colors. So, I just drag the Commit Mode 2 layer above the Mask Layer to correct this.

          2. Now you mentioned something about creating a "Solid Fill Layer" I think that is what I am doing, because I don't know of any other way to create a fill layer than the steps I told you in the last two posts. I believe the reason I have to simplify the Commit Mode layers before merging is because I have the two thumbnails, because after the simplify step the two thumbnails become one. How do I correct this?

          Thanks

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          • #20
            I have the exact same problem as Beaner.

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            • #21
              While I can't be sure if this is 100% intentional, Photoshop works the same way. If the current layer is empty and you go to create a new layer, the layer fills with the fill instead of creating a new one.

              In any case, you need the result as shown by running the Saturation Masking tool. Whether you achieve it with fill layers or filled layers doesn't much matter.

              OK?

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              • #22
                Thanks,

                I'm confident now that the steps I'm using (even though they aren't precisely what's layed out in the book) are working to achieve the goal: the saturation mask. I still will be doing it manually for a while so that I fully understand the process. Then I will graduate to using the tool.

                Thanks Again, I really appreciate all the feedback!

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                • #23
                  This is a particularly annoying BUG in Elements (and by the sounds of it PS as well). I work around it by creating blank layers after adjustment layers, but every now and again I forget and I get bitten

                  Paul.

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                  • #24
                    I found that what worked best for me in this case, was to just create a new layer, then edit->fill->50% gray. Everything went smooth after that.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks Blink! I didn't even realize that option was available (I'm a real newbie to Photoshop Elements 2) By following these steps Layer>New Layer name it Commit Mode 2, then Edit>Fill>50% gray I am now able to have a fill layer with only one thumbnail (a gray square).

                      In addition, I don't have to simplify the layers now before merging down. Congradulations, you solved the mystery!

                      Thanks!

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