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  • How to Change the Color Profile?

    I'm lost. I can't figure out how to change the ICC profile for an image with PSE 2.0 for the Mac. If I open an image that already has a profile, all I can do when I "Save As" is embed it or not. How do I select/assign a different profile? I just don't get it.

    Thanks for any help!


  • #2
    Image: Mode: Assign Profile.
    Image: Mode: Convert to Profile.

    Hope that helps.


    • #3
      No go...

      Boingo82, thanks for the reply, but there is no such menu item - at least not in the Mac version of PSE 2.0. Any other ideas?



      • #4
        boingo's method will work for Photoshop, but not for Elements. As far as I can tell, Elements has no way to assign an arbitrary profile to a file. You can assign any profile during printing, using the Print Preview dialog with "More Options" checked, but that's not going to affect the file itself, only how its printed.

        Hopefully Richard will see this and give the full story.
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        • #5
          "Save As" Twice

          It just occurred to me that if you "Save As" and uncheck the "embed profile" option and then "Save As" again, you can at least attach the Adobe RGB profile, and that's what I was after primarily. I still don't know if/how you can attach an arbitrary profile though.



          • #6
            Sorry, did not realize you are in Elements.


            • #7
              Shotster I just tried saving it twice and it didn't work I still ended up with only the old embedded option available. The only way I have found is to open the photograph, then use cut and paste into a new file ... then you have the chance to embed the colour option you are using at the time.

              My problem is that my camera embeds sRGB 1EC61966-2.1 and I use my own calibrated profile. I am away for the next few days but will catch up with this thread on my return.


              • #8
                Mac users of PSE (or any software) have a powerful helper utility in the native system software - ColorSync.

                With ColorSync and AppleScript - one can do many profile related tasks. Commonly installed and forgotten or hidden on the OS CD are ColorSync AppleScripts which can be used on single images or batches of images.

                With these scripts one can assign, convert, extract, remove profiles etc.

                MS Win users do not have anything similar, but there are some command line tools for performing profile tasks - but you need to know how to use the old command line syntax (I don't). If there are any DOS or command line users reading, it would be good to get some info on how to make these tools work (they are free and thus unsupported by the authors).

                Stephen Marsh.


                • #9
                  Thanks & Clarification

                  WendyW, I neglected to mention that when I tried it, I closed the document after saving and then reopened it. It then had the Adobe profile as the default. It sounds like just duplicating the image to a new doc is perhaps even easier.

                  Stephen, thanks a lot for the ColorSync tips. That hadn't occurred to me. I will look for those scripts you mention and check them out.



                  • #10
                    I think I have another somewhat interesting solution for those dead set on embedding printer profiles. Can anyone forward me a profile they want to use? I'll return it with some brief instructions.



                    • #11
                      Hi Richard - I'm not sure what use an arbitary assigned profile is to PSE users, but I presume it is being used in the same way as in the full version...a conversion from the embedded tag to the current RGB work space so that the assigned colour appearance and LAB values get converted into the new space?

                      If this is so, I can forsee users wishing to tag camera, scanner, output or work space RGB profiles - and they could be any of these common or not so commonly found profiles.

                      Stephen Marsh.


                      • #12

                        I am an enabler. I have put forth my suggestions for using (or rather not embedding) profiles in my book. HOWEVER, if someone wants to go that route, I won't tell them either "you can't" or "I won't let you" or "Elements won't let you". And no, Elements handles profiles a little differently than Photoshop -- there aren't as many controls. However, there are work-arounds. I probably know more than I should. I certainly know more than I put in the book. Some I didn't think were helpful. However not everyone works like I do.

                        In short, the solution I'd pose is perhaps profile-specific. If someone wants to embed some printer profile, I'd rather make the solution once than do a sample and then do it again.

                        I am not as dopey as I look, and I really know what I am doing and why I am doing it when it comes to my requests and suggestions. If you want to see more of the difference between Elements and Photoshop, you might want to start playing with the demo, or you might even purchase a copy ( Elements ). It would be the best way to explore the program -- especially if you are interested in posting advice on it.


                        • #13
                          Thanks Richard - at the moment Photoshop and the other apps I regulary use are more than enough for me, but that is not to say that I am not interested in looking into PSE - just not interested enough for the large download demo on dialup. If I stumble over a demo CD then it will certianly get a look. I also want to look at Binuscan PhotoRetouchPro, but that will not happen fast either.

                          Due to my poor knowledge of PSE I try not to give advice on that app - but if a thread pops up where I think I can help - I will.

                          My point about the varous possible profiles was simply that there are many profiles that a user would wish to assign and they may not always know in advance that they need the ability.

                          If many folk find that they are wishing for this feature, this could be a lot of work. The common work space profiles (Apple RGB, ColorMatch RGB, sRGB and Adobe RGB) would be the most common, but there are also many input and output profiles which would be required too.

                          Stephen Marsh.


                          • #14
                            I have an idea for the solution, and not necessarily the solution itself (though that may be semantics). Just like people said "you can't do CMYK in Elements" there are means of working on CMYK in Elements AND saving the results by exploiting DCS files (Elements can't save the DCS, but it CAN save the parts). The solution was born of knowing some things about image types and stuff that users might not normally even care to know. It was a solution created by looking at one specific problem, with a single desired result. That is how I work best.

                            I would want to try and create the solution at least for one person here, and perhaps this excursion will let me figure a way to get that power into the users' hands so that they can control it -- not so I can. Sometimes the solution is too cumbersome -- like the solution I have for 'recording' actions in Elements or working directly with Blend If settings. I can do both of these right in Elements, but I don't believe the solutions are things other people will really want to go to the trouble (and they are trouble) to employ. I didn't know till I tried. I won't know till I do this time.


                            • #15
                              Happened to have another question on the same subject so looked in a little further. Anyone care to test this out?

                              You can assign profiles using Print Preview, as suggested by Doug.

                              1. Open the Print Preview and check the Show More Options box.
                              2. Choose Color Management from the drop list.
                              3. Select the printing space ( the following is from Adobe's help):
                              "* Choose Same As Source if you want the printer to print the color of the image's color profile without converting it. This option will not take any printer profiles into account.
                              * Choose Printer Color Management or PostScript Color Management if you want to manage color conversions using the print driver. PostScript Color Management is only available when printing to a PostScript device.
                              * If available, choose a predefined color profile for your printer. These profiles are installed with graphics applications and print drivers. Choosing a predefined profile will result in an automatic color conversion when printing."

                              This is all you have to do for a local printer.

                              To embed the profile:

                              4. Click the Print button.
                              5. Set up the Print dialogue by choosing the proper Printer and Presets. select other options (number of copies, etc).
                              6. Click Save as PDF.

                              The profile will be saved with the PDF, which should be able to be transported to the desired printer. You may need to install a postscript driver in order to access the profiles. You can download Adobe's postscript print drivers from their site. If you need to change the format of the file, you need to retain the embedded profile while doing a conversion of file types.

                              Of course, many will claim this is impossible...though it seems to be built right into the program--and may be considered somewhat hidden, and mostly unadvertised.

                              do let me know if you have trouble with this. It isn't the original solution I was thinking of, but it certainly puts the power in the users hands.